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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:29 pm 
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its gonna suck when the Bucs take Sutton


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3 offensive lineman gone already. Yikes. Bears really blew it at the guard position this offseason. Couldn't have fucked it up worse if they tried.


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I trade down and get a third


I would too if it's possible. There's enough high-level talent I think someone would trade up.

I don't have the trade value chart in front of me to know how far you'd have to drop to get a third though.

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I'm hoping it's WR here, but that being said -Sutton is my least favorite of the top guys left. He doesn't seem to fit the scheme, and he ate against lower tier teams and disappeared against better opponents.

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RB Jones to TB

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Well they really have their pick of the litter at WR.


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The Iowa center.

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Daniels, C from Iowa

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https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-dan ... 44bbc76ad1

Overview
Daniels is a fluid mover with tremendous initial quickness to win positioning on most every zone block he's asked to make -- both on the first and second levels. His height, weight and arm length numbers at the Combine will be critical in either solidifying his draft slot or potentially dropping him a round. Some teams might see him as a zone-only center, but he may be strong enough to fit in with other blocking schemes. He needs to get stronger, but he's a plus run blocker and pass protector with a chance to become a Pro Bowl starter.


Strengths
•Elite movement talent for the position
•Smooth, fluid and flexible
•Good snap to step quickness
•Initial contact is balanced and well-timed
•Outpaces defenders laterally and reaches three-techniques all day long
•Slides feet into position and swivels hips to secure the block
•Easy second-level climber with agility for high connection rate
•Takes smart angles
•Can beat inside linebackers to the spot and get them sealed
•Has reactive athleticism to open hips and redirect against slants on his backside
•Snatches and mirrors for block centering and sustaining on work-up blocks
•Finishes
•Technically sound and works well with his guards
•Pass sets with wide base and plus balance
•Rarely caught lunging or over-extending against athletic rushers
•Has foot quickness to stay mirrored and handle counters
•Rolls hips under him for quality anchor



Weaknesses
•Played lighter than he needs to be as a pro
•Has to continue to add functional mass to his frame
•Power at the point of attack is average
•Bull-rushers make him work overtime to maintain his anchor
•Will struggle to recover if nose guards get hands on him first
•Target points can be too high in pass sets causing hands to slide up and off opponent
•Gets in a hurry to climb on top of second level linebacker and will leave initial block unsecured for guard next to him
•Scheme didn't allow for much drive blocking



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"The Iowa guys are always going to be quick and proficient, but you have to see them tested against power because they are usually going to be a little smaller, too. This guy has decent size and I think he's got pretty good functional power. He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away." -- NFC team college scouting director

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 Post subject: Re: Round 2
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So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.

The OL is now passable but the receiver corps is still really fucking bad. Bears got better with this draft, but not enough to move the needle. This was a forgone conclusion, though.


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Wasn't better guys available?

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Nas wrote:
Wasn't better guys available?

Probably but they boxed themselves in by taking a luxury player in the top 10.


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FrankDrebin wrote:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/james-daniels?id=32462018-0002-5600-48e1-4044bbc76ad1

Overview
Daniels is a fluid mover with tremendous initial quickness to win positioning on most every zone block he's asked to make -- both on the first and second levels. His height, weight and arm length numbers at the Combine will be critical in either solidifying his draft slot or potentially dropping him a round. Some teams might see him as a zone-only center, but he may be strong enough to fit in with other blocking schemes. He needs to get stronger, but he's a plus run blocker and pass protector with a chance to become a Pro Bowl starter.


Strengths
•Elite movement talent for the position
•Smooth, fluid and flexible
•Good snap to step quickness
•Initial contact is balanced and well-timed
•Outpaces defenders laterally and reaches three-techniques all day long
•Slides feet into position and swivels hips to secure the block
•Easy second-level climber with agility for high connection rate
•Takes smart angles
•Can beat inside linebackers to the spot and get them sealed
•Has reactive athleticism to open hips and redirect against slants on his backside
•Snatches and mirrors for block centering and sustaining on work-up blocks
•Finishes
•Technically sound and works well with his guards
•Pass sets with wide base and plus balance
•Rarely caught lunging or over-extending against athletic rushers
•Has foot quickness to stay mirrored and handle counters
•Rolls hips under him for quality anchor



Weaknesses
•Played lighter than he needs to be as a pro
•Has to continue to add functional mass to his frame
•Power at the point of attack is average
•Bull-rushers make him work overtime to maintain his anchor
•Will struggle to recover if nose guards get hands on him first
•Target points can be too high in pass sets causing hands to slide up and off opponent
•Gets in a hurry to climb on top of second level linebacker and will leave initial block unsecured for guard next to him
•Scheme didn't allow for much drive blocking



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"The Iowa guys are always going to be quick and proficient, but you have to see them tested against power because they are usually going to be a little smaller, too. This guy has decent size and I think he's got pretty good functional power. He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away." -- NFC team college scouting director



Didn't Grasu come in being too light and not strong enough?

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So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.

The OL is now passable but the receiver corps is still really fucking bad. Bears got better with this draft, but not enough to move the needle. This was a forgone conclusion, though.



They must believe quality WR will be available in the 4th round

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So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.


If that's how it works out, then yeah it's worth it.

Now it's down to trying to find diamonds in the rough.

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So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.


This.

I like the pick.


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Solid safe pick. I'd rather have one of those WR's, but without a 3rd round pick combined with the run on linemen, I see why the Bears had to do it.


Not having a young, talented, healthy WR is going to be obvious next year tho.

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The kid is only 20 years old. Man.

He's up to 306. I don't know anything about the guy but looks like a pretty good pick.

I wish they had a 3rd rounder. They could still have gotten a good WR. Not sure about the 4th round.

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America wrote:
So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.


This.

I like the pick.



He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away." -- NFC team college scouting director


Sounds good to me

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They are now better at c and og than they were last year

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Peoria Matt wrote:
America wrote:
So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.


This.

I like the pick.



He would come in and challenge for best center in our division right away." -- NFC team college scouting director


Sounds good to me


McShay said he’s the best C in the draft and he’ll be a top 3 C in the league soon.


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So Whitehair moves to G and Grasu is off the roster. Both good things in my book. Good pick.

The OL is now passable but the receiver corps is still really fucking bad. Bears got better with this draft, but not enough to move the needle. This was a forgone conclusion, though.

Whitehair has been great at center and below average at guard. They should have taken a guard or tackle.

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Especially with Hernandez gone they were not going to find a better guard the rest of this draft than Whitehair would be moving over to his natural position.


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As a GM I would only draft O-linemen.

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If that deal was on the table for the Bears they should have taken it.


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