Its not about assists. I'm looking at his decision making. He keeps picking his dribble up too soon. I also haven't seen him drive and kick either. Those are point guard plays. i only started watching in the 2nd quarter but i didn't see much of it in the first game either.

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Well stop judging his decision making as a finished product as a rookie.

Also, it’s hard to drive and kick when you’re playing with Gobert and Favors at the same time. Utah doesn’t run a Houston offense.

Anyway, at least this game is still interesting. Harden just for his 4th foul.

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He also has about six months of NBA experience. Kind of unreasonable to write his PG skills off.

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Not looking so one dimensional anymore, is he?

His competitiveness is one of his best traits. Almost ensures he will be a relatively well rounded player.

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He's already better than Irving. But that's not saying much.

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I don't expect much to change. He has Ingles and Crowder who can make shots. I also just saw him thow it away 2 or 3 times.

You can't use the rookie excuse on 1 hand then say he is the second coming on the other.

Just saw him take two ill advised shots too

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He takes one more of those then I'm definitely comfortable saying nothing he does over the next 15 years will change my impression of him.

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When did I say he was the second coming?

He’s a rookie and you don’t expect his game to change or improve? I’m trying not to resort to insults so the most generous response I can give to that statement is it’s odd and you’re unlikely to be correct.

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Ben Simmons has the same 6 months exp and is light years ahead as a one and he'd never played the 1 at any point of his life.

Point guards are born they aren't made.

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Simmons had 6 assists and 7 turnovers his first game of the second round. Struggled even more than Mitchell in his.

Just how full of shit do you plan on being tonight?

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According to Vegan he is already better than Irving. As such he shouldn't be judged as a rookie.

You also have used the "awesome" term to describe him on several occasions.

Is that to be awesome for a rookie or awesome in general?

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True but irrelevant.


I'm actually partial to this because I played PG myself. Love setting everyone up.

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Yeah but Mitchell avg 2.3 assists per game for the season. Those are putrid for a point guard.

One game does not a point guard make. Simmons has proven that he can handle the spot.


Mitchell was billed as that when he was drafted but he really isn't. He is more of an undersized 2

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Awesome in general. I think a lot of the top 20-25 guys are awesome. I guess if you want to be a pedantic dick you could nitpick that but I hope you’re above that. The league is stacked with young talent. It’s nice as a fan.

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Do assists matter or do they not? You’re not being very consistent.

But I don’t care if he’s a PG or SG or combo guard. He’s a basketball player. It’s clear when you watch him.

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He isn't a top 20-25 player just yet. He is a solid rookie. You have him overrated because that is what you do with guys you like.

He has a ways to go get into that top 25 class.

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You said you didn't care but yet you proceeded to address the point. Sort of means that you cared.

Meanwhile he had 5 assists 4 TOs first game and 5 assists and who knows how many this game Gordon just picked his pocket.

Its a step up in weight class this series.

You want to put him in the class with those guys then he has to perform like it.

First 2 games he has hasn't. He has looked extremely avg.

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He’s competing on the biggest stage with some of the best players in the game and playing great, averaging like 28 a game or whatever it is. Maybe you haven’t been watching the playoffs. This is coming off a stellar regular season. I don’t know what else you’re looking for in a player.

He’s going to be an all star next year barring injury. That’s in a stacked western conference. He’s way better than a “solid rookie”. Start being more objective instead of looking to argue every single chance you get and you might have more informed opinions.

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You're talking about him playing great in one sentence and being objective in another. He hasn't looked great the first 2 games of this series.

Coincidentally it came after he had to run the point. That is no accident.

He looks a lot different when he has to run the team.

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Mitchell with the shut down defense after the foul!

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And there’s that drive and kick!

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You commented on something that i said yet you claim i looked to argue.

You disagreed with me yet I'm the one "looking to argue"
You started a thread about Mitchell and Tatum for the sake of looking to argue.

You sound delusional by claiming that i'm the one looking to argue with this being the case.

As far as objectivity goes you have proven time and time again that you can't be.

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For real mitchell is playing great D on harden in the 4th

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Mitchell 11 assists 2 turnovers tonight. Not bad for an average non-point guard.

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I guess you really aren't looking to argue. I guess until you look to argue that is Keep in mind that it is you that constantly feels the need to address things that i say.

When i start calling you on the dumb shit that you say like "he's awesome" then don't start cimplaining about being targeted.

You are full of shit with that.

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Mitchell is awesome. I’m sorry you can’t see that now. You will once it’s inevitable to argue against it. He plays with the type of fluidity and competitiveness many of the greats do.

He does need to improve his shot selection and decision making but he has a great coach and Snyder gave him the keys to the offense for a reason. All part of his development.

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Mitchell did play great D.

It is still amazing to me how bad Harden is at D. There is no reason for it. He could be good at it. Stands straight up most of the time. Reaches too much. Gets lost.

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This guy thinks the passing on Mitchell is worse than passing Melo in 2003.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2018/05/02/detroit-pistons-donovan-mitchell-luke-kennard/574031002/

Before reading it my initial reaction is:

No chance it’s worse from a process standpoint. Melo was universally regarded as being a star with a high floor. He achieved that. Many lottery teams passed on Mitchell and he wasn’t nearly as heralded of a prospect coming in. Melo also could have potentially won Detroit another title considering their cast at the time.

Ron, you still firm on the Tatum > Mitchell call?

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