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did he know he was going on a podcast that averages 15 spins an episode. that was almost unlistenable. i'd rather listen to stick to pods.

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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.


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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.


Well they certainly fixed that problem, didn't they?


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Anyone else catch Mitch "having a vision" for putting Dan and Jason together in afternoons? Can we assume that their show fulfilled his vision?

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Anyone else catch Mitch "having a vision" for putting Dan and Jason together in afternoons? Can we assume that their show fulfilled his vision?


I caught that, and yes I had the same thought. B&G was probably the show Mitch wanted, not the Broken Arrow we all thought it was.


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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.
Shouldn't you be feeling bad for Goff because Spiegel and Goff was doing well though? That was your point on how Spiegel got screwed. Why not Goff?

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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.
Shouldn't you be feeling bad for Goff because Spiegel and Goff was doing well though? That was your point on how Spiegel got screwed. Why not Goff?


I am skeptical of Goff's "I wanted to stay in middays" narrative, especially when later in the same interview, right before he drops the hammer on Dan's show prep, he talks about how hungry and enthusiastic he was about being a radio host because of his age, family status, etc.


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This great in a bad way, I agree, he was just itching to let loose on Bernstein, Parkins, probably Mac but didn't.
Who was the guy that offered to pay him out of his own pocket to be on? Terry I assume? Goff likes to blame
everyone else for his mistakes, he needs to come to grip with reality. He actually could learn a lot from Mac.
Oh well, I bet he's the toast of the town showing up at the unemployment office in his Land Rover.... :lol:

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I'm of the mind that for all the tinfoil hat shit, all the theories, all the he said she said shit, that Goff was fired because he wasn't very good at his job. He probably pissed off a lot of the wrong people, maybe ran his mouth off too much in front of the new interests at the station, and/or led their flagship afternoon program down a road that was pissing off advertisers.

It's one thing to do that when you've got some real sway in the industry; it's another when you don't. Jason doesn't.

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Jason also said he boycotted fill-in work because he wasn't being offered enough money for those spots, turning down other hosts' offers to pay him out of pocket to sit in on their shows. Does anyone else remember a time in which Jason could have been hosting but didn't? I remember a time when Drew Hayes was overseeing 670/780 and banned producers from hosting because "no one cares what a producer thinks." You may remember it as "that time Bruce Wolf was coming off the bench until he did a weird Dan Bernstein impression and got his shit reamed on the air for it." But I don't remember Jason not hosting after Drew Hayes went away. So what was that all about.

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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.


Well they certainly fixed that problem, didn't they?


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Jason also said he boycotted fill-in work because he wasn't being offered enough money for those spots, turning down other hosts' offers to pay him out of pocket to sit in on their shows. Does anyone else remember a time in which Jason could have been hosting but didn't? I remember a time when Drew Hayes was overseeing 670/780 and banned producers from hosting because "no one cares what a producer thinks." You may remember it as "that time Bruce Wolf was coming off the bench until he did a weird Dan Bernstein impression and got his shit reamed on the air for it." But I don't remember Jason not hosting after Drew Hayes went away. So what was that all about.


The only thing I recall was when Mac said Shep or someone would do all his fill in not Goff after some Dan MaNeal crap.

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holy moly so this podcast has like 60 episodes. all of them listened to by like 12 people.

question. at what point do you just stop?


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Jason also said he boycotted fill-in work because he wasn't being offered enough money for those spots, turning down other hosts' offers to pay him out of pocket to sit in on their shows. Does anyone else remember a time in which Jason could have been hosting but didn't? I remember a time when Drew Hayes was overseeing 670/780 and banned producers from hosting because "no one cares what a producer thinks." You may remember it as "that time Bruce Wolf was coming off the bench until he did a weird Dan Bernstein impression and got his shit reamed on the air for it." But I don't remember Jason not hosting after Drew Hayes went away. So what was that all about.


Wasn't there a lot of fill-in work when Mannelly decided he'd rather spend his summers on the golf course, which culminated in Jason being revealed at the Auto Show as the next midday host with Spiegel?


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Jason also said he boycotted fill-in work because he wasn't being offered enough money for those spots, turning down other hosts' offers to pay him out of pocket to sit in on their shows. Does anyone else remember a time in which Jason could have been hosting but didn't? I remember a time when Drew Hayes was overseeing 670/780 and banned producers from hosting because "no one cares what a producer thinks." You may remember it as "that time Bruce Wolf was coming off the bench until he did a weird Dan Bernstein impression and got his shit reamed on the air for it." But I don't remember Jason not hosting after Drew Hayes went away. So what was that all about.


Wasn't there a lot of fill-in work when Mannelly decided he'd rather spend his summers on the golf course, which culminated in Jason being revealed at the Auto Show as the next midday host with Spiegel?

Yeah was right outside the Range Rover booth.

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Jason sounds like he is still trying to process what happened.

He speaks of having reservations about working with Bernstein which is surprising.

To refer to DeCastro as the guy who "lost" the Cubs to the Score reveals a lack of respect for his position as well as a stunning lack of knowledge as to how bad that deal really is. Except for him and Bernstein.

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I didn't expect Goff to speak glowingly of Jimmy DeCastro, but ignoring that the guy saved WGN from Randy Michaels-induced oblivion is a sizable omission, to say nothing about the Loop stuff.

Though come to think of it, DeCastro sorta did the same thing there, where he had a decent afternoon show in Garry Meier but kicked him out to make room for his friend Roe Conn.

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I didn't expect Goff to speak glowingly of Jimmy DeCastro, but ignoring that the guy saved WGN from Randy Michaels-induced oblivion is a sizable omission, to say nothing about the Loop stuff.


And then not to think that it just might be a good idea to get to know the person in charge if nothing else.

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I kinda figured that was more DeCastro making himself scarce to talent in his "assessment" role than Jason blowing him off for five months.

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I kinda figured that was more DeCastro making himself scarce to talent in his "assessment" role than Jason blowing him off for five months.


He never met DeCastro in five months.

Laurence introduced himself to the guy DeCastro replaced in like 15 minutes. And you can be damn sure Laurence spent some time with the Deacon as well.

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He speaks of having reservations about working with Bernstein which is surprising.



Yeah, he said something like he was concerned that his partner wasn't going to "bring it" or words to that effect, and that they'd need maximum effort to go up against W&S. It was kind of an odd comment about a guy (Dan) who had been relatively successful for 15 years.

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He speaks of having reservations about working with Bernstein which is surprising.



Yeah, he said something like he was concerned that his partner wasn't going to "bring it" or words to that effect, and that they'd need maximum effort to go up against W&S. It was kind of an odd comment about a guy (Dan) who had been relatively successful for 15 years.


It is even odder that you end up surprised that it did not work out.

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Jason said that when he lost his show, everyone in the business came to him and asked "how is 3rd place in the market not good enough?" This appears to clash with our assessment that the Score won all its dayparts but afternoons, and B&G blew their lead-in audience.

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I may be a Tad Biased (and Queasy), but Dr. Ken's podcasts would put these guys to shame. They could have done so much more. I hate agreeing with Beardown but he's right, I would have liked more follow ups.

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Jason said that when he lost his show, everyone in the business came to him and asked "how is 3rd place in the market not good enough?" This appears to clash with our assessment that the Score won all its dayparts but afternoons, and B&G blew their lead-in audience.


I'd like to meet the PD who would text Jason upon the announcement saying "lol way to go blowing that built-in B&B audience and making sure they end up at MVP".

But I would say those texts, if they did happen, verge on a form of "virtue signalling".


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.
Shouldn't you be feeling bad for Goff because Spiegel and Goff was doing well though? That was your point on how Spiegel got screwed. Why not Goff?


I am skeptical of Goff's "I wanted to stay in middays" narrative, especially when later in the same interview, right before he drops the hammer on Dan's show prep, he talks about how hungry and enthusiastic he was about being a radio host because of his age, family status, etc.


It's the Sir school of explaining why you did not get the job.

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I'm of the mind that for all the tinfoil hat shit, all the theories, all the he said she said shit, that Goff was fired because he wasn't very good at his job. He probably pissed off a lot of the wrong people, maybe ran his mouth off too much in front of the new interests at the station, and/or led their flagship afternoon program down a road that was pissing off advertisers.

It's one thing to do that when you've got some real sway in the industry; it's another when you don't. Jason doesn't.


This.

B and G were taking record level audiences from unprecedented Cub success and losing the group in two consecutive years. "We were in third place" might be true but it is hardly representative of truth. Analysis of the trends shows that the audience was leaving the Score specifically when B and G opened their mics. No other shows were showing those losses.

Now, I think it was poor analysis to blame it on Goff. The indictment was on Bernstein. Those audiences weren't leaving in the same numbers before Terry got sick.

Still, Jason was one of the creators of "Fuck You!" radio with B and B. The fans pushed back.

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And once again, these dopes on a laptop microphone fail to grasp that the problem with the B&G ratings wasn't their overall ranking in the city, but that they pissed away a ratings lead over the competition in/near their timeslot, and those listeners showed up at the competition.
Shouldn't you be feeling bad for Goff because Spiegel and Goff was doing well though? That was your point on how Spiegel got screwed. Why not Goff?


I am skeptical of Goff's "I wanted to stay in middays" narrative, especially when later in the same interview, right before he drops the hammer on Dan's show prep, he talks about how hungry and enthusiastic he was about being a radio host because of his age, family status, etc.


It's the Sir school of explaining why you did not get the job.

Jason certainly did not turn down the uncertainty of hosting in a market he had never lived in nor followed sports in so he could stay in his comfort zone of producing/hosting in Chicago. How are we to believe that he'd turn down going from middays back to afternoons?

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Still, Jason was one of the creators of "Fuck You!" radio with B and B. The fans pushed back.


I am not sure what else you can say about this other than someone decided they did not want people telling their audience to go fuck off. Jason got fired and Bernsie demoted and castrated. All the rest is just noise.

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Jason said that when he lost his show, everyone in the business came to him and asked "how is 3rd place in the market not good enough?" This appears to clash with our assessment that the Score won all its dayparts but afternoons, and B&G blew their lead-in audience.


Anyway we can verify where they stood at the end? It would be idiotic to dump a third place finisher in a market this large and competitive.....

I had ESPN 1000 on at work, and listened to B&G for my 30 minute ride home. I eventually starting switching to music anytime they went to Goff kid talk, national NBA, or SJW. That seemed like 2 to 3 times per week.

Now I have WSCR on end to end in my office and on the way home. I don't even listen to Kap anymore.

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