Here is an excellent article regarding this season's playoffs.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nb ... yahx2axav3

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I do. The guy you've defended for years here, Westbrook, is the textbook example of one.

How am I embarrassing myself? Because I correctly pointed out that Mitchell has more rebounds, assists, and steals than Tatum? Sorry I hurt your feelings by correcting you, but that's a very strong indicator that he's not a one dimensional volume chucker.

His shot selection and decision making against Houston were pretty bad. Not sure if you watched the series but they pointed out several times that Houston's entire defensive game plan centered around trapping and stopping him, and with no secondary ball handler Utah couldn't adjust. Mitchell responded by forcing shots and over compensating. As a rookie that's forgivable. If he's still doing it at Westbrook's age it's a problem.

Luckily he also played in a first round series in which he dismantled your heralded OKC team. Don't wanna talk about that though, do we?

My advice is to acknowledge Mitchell is really good but still say Tatum is/will be better. That's a better argument. You sound like an idiot right now talking about Mitchell like he's Ricky Davis.

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Also, help me clarify something LTG:

Efficiency doesn't matter when comparing Steph, Kyrie, and Russ. It only matters when comparing Tatum and Mitchell. Do I have that right?

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No i bash the hell out of Westbrook. Kyrie and Steph high percentages.

Your over top praise of the guy makes this necessary. Your hyperbolic approach to describing guy is what makes this necessary. Also it was you that made this necessary by starting a comp thread in the first place. You didn't just make about the fallacious greatness of Mitchell you had to rope Tatum in only because i happen to like the guy. Now its time to own it.

I'm a Tatum guy but i'd never goes as far as you've gone with Mitchell. Now its game on.

You had Ball better than Tatum too and that blew up in your face now its time to pump Mitchell.

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You sound pretty fired up. Didn't know you were so sensitive to differing basketball opinions.

I'm glad I set the comp thread up. I think it's gonna go well for me. It has so far.

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Its you that happens to be quite honestly Whenever it starts going sour you start down the personal attack road ( as you've done here) You also start down the "no one knows what they are talking about but i" path as well.

Tatum scored 24 points on 15 shots a game and you are still trying to make the case that Mitchell is outplaying even as the whole can see that he isn't and you are talking about credibility.

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You started the personal attacks and I responded in kind. Check last 10-12 posts again.

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Mitchell outplayed Tatum by a wide margin in the first round. Tatum outplayed Mitchell by a wide margin in the 2nd round. Overall for the playoffs it's close but yeah I still think Mitchell's been slightly better given how much he's been asked to do.

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Ltg backs the right horse 90% of the time, Tatum is better and you will realize it in the next 18-24 months.

Do you still have Ball over Fox?

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Jalen Rose redid the draft from last year this morning. Pretty interesting takes.

His top 5 this morning were

1. Mitchell

2. Tatum

3. Markannen

4. Kuzma

5. Smith Jr. He had Ball 8th or 9th

Didn't say who his 6th and 7th happened to be but definitely stated that Ball would be 8th or 9th in his opinion

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I do.

So you still have Fox as the best player from that draft?

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But obviously you don’t agree with this list, right?

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No actually I do. Unlike you i can be objective. You'd probably have to go with Mitchell because of production right now. He has simply scored at a higher clip than the other guys. I have no doubt that Tatum is the better player going forward but up until this point it is difficult to say definitively that he is the better player. I'm sure but others aren't. Here is the thing about Tatum. He hasn't disappointed at all. I never had him winning rookie of the year anyway. He played on a team with an MVP candidate on it. A couple of other "all stars" too. He wasn't going to win that no matter what.

The interesting thing relates to guys that he placed in front of Ball. Smith jr? I was told that Ball was definitely better. According to Rose he isn't. I agree. Ball for all practical purposes is trending more towards bust than anything.

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I like Smith Jr. He might be better than Ball. I don't really see how you can say Ball is trending towards bust though. He played better as the season went along and did not look like a bust. He's a poor scorer but a good rebounder, passer, and defender. That's a useful player.

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He really isn't a good defender and his passing ability never materialized to the extent that he was hyped. Once you get past all of the other stuff what will determine whether he is a bust or decent player is how he performs relative to the other guys in the draft. He was a No. 2 pick in a very good draft. If he fails to make an All Star team then he is a disappointment. If he turns into a rotation player then he is a bust. A guy that plays 35 minutes a game and gives you 10 7 and 7 isn't that useful. Those are bench guy numbers. He rebounds above average for a guard but everything else including his overhyped passing ability is mediocre to average. The bar has been lowered tremendously after one season and very few people if any associated with the NBA are touting him as a superstar anymore. It is your interpretation that he got better but better is relative is to his atrocious early season play. He shot terribly throughout the year and he had little to no impact in the games that he played.

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That's just plainly not true. He was a very good defender for a rookie.

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I'm surprised Rose has Ball that high. He hates Ball and has hated on him all season.

Nothing to see here.

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From the guy who thinks everyone is "stupid" and an "idiot" for failing to recognize the greatness that is Lonzo Ball.

I wonder how that Lonzo is much better than Tatum thing is working out for him as well or do we even need to ask who the better guy is and will be going forward anymore?

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as I have been saying all along he can't shoot

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You also stated that he was a bum (Yogi Ferrell) because of it and have come out looking like a fool. No one ever said that he could shoot so I don't know what you are even arguing. Something tells me neither do you.

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LaVar Ball said Lonzo’s poor shooting can be fixed if the Lakers draft both LiAngelo and LaMelo. So they should do that.

His reasoning makes total sense. “Every time he’s with his brothers in 24 Hour Fitness or something, he doesn’t miss a shot.”

He is talking about Simmons. He can't admit that he was wrong about him as a player so he is keeping the "shooting" thing going.

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well the process you have been touting needs another player like a free agent so the process DID NOT work if you need to add to it!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

So because they didn't meet your unrealistic expectations it is a failure? You profess this even as you hold out hope that Thibs will win something year after year. Do you consider him a failure as well? I doubt it since you bet on him this past year.


You have been wrong about the "Process" just like you were wrong about Ben "Yogi Ferrell" " Simmons and you can't admit it so you continually move the goal posts. You are making yourself seem foolish by continually to argue this. You didn't even have them making the playoffs this season. At each step you have attempted to reshape the debate simply because you don't want to admit that you were wrong.

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It hasn't meet their standards because they said they can not win it they way they are constructed....Your Idea of bring a success is making they playoffs...as an organization that is not enough

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

It hasn't meet their standards because they said they can not win it they way they are constructed....Your Idea of bring a success is making they playoffs...as an organization that is not enough[/quote]

You may not realize this but only one team will win the championship this year.

To say that a team whose two best players happen to be in their first full season has failed becauae they don't win or get to the finals is patently, unadulteratedly stupid.

I guess they should blow the team up then because they didn't win the championship. Now you are criticizing them because they want to add players.

Your rationales for what constitutes failure are getting dumber and dumber by the second.

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LaVar Ball said Lonzo’s poor shooting can be fixed if the Lakers draft both LiAngelo and LaMelo. So they should do that.

His reasoning makes total sense. “Every time he’s with his brothers in 24 Hour Fitness or something, he doesn’t miss a shot.”[/quote]


He is talking about Simmons. He can't admit that he was wrong about him as a player so he is keeping the "shooting" thing going.[/quote]
well the process you have been touting needs another player like a free agent so the process DID NOT work if you need to add to it![/quote]

So because they didn't meet your unrealistic expectations it is a failure? You profess this even as you hold out hope that Thibs will win something year after year. Do you consider him a failure as well? I doubt it since you bet on him this past year.


You have been wrong about the "Process" just like you were wrong about Ben "Yogi Ferrell" " Simmons and you can't admit it so you continually move the goal posts. You are making yourself seem foolish by continually to argue this. You didn't even have them making the playoffs this season. At each step you have attempted to reshape the debate simply because you don't want to admit that you were wrong.[/quote]
It hasn't meet their standards because they said they can not win it they way they are constructed....Your Idea of bring a success is making they playoffs...as an organization that is not enough[/quote]

You may not realize this but only one team will win the championship this year.

To say that a team whose two best players happen to be in their first full season has failed becauae they don't win or get to the finals is patently, unadulteratedly stupid.

I guess they should blow the team up then because they didn't win the championship. Now you are criticizing them because they want to add players.

Your rationales for what constitutes failure are getting dumber and dumber by the second.[/quote]
they remind me a lot of the Wizards

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Bump

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https://sports.yahoo.com/donovan-mitche ... 04828.html

Mitchell wins NBPA ROY

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I sense you coming over to ltg and my side.. Eh?

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