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Anti-Semitism and the scapegoating of Jews didn't start in 1967 or 1948. Jews aren't hated because of the existence of Israel. Modern Israel exists because Jews are hated. This shit goes all the way back to antiquity and is entwined with religious codes that caused Jews to be bankers/lenders; it runs down through the actions/words of the Catholic Church to Martin Luther and all the way up until the present.

Jewish stereotypes are no different than the "Jezebel" or the "Mandingo" or "Jumpin' Jim Crow". It's interesting to juxtapose this conversation against some of those that deal with African-American issues. If there are "dog whistles" in those discussions, there are fucking air horns in this one.

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The US Military will never make them bad guys.

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

You sound a little like Trump. "Both sides have bad hombres".

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Elections have consequences.

I agree with you about the similarity in the issues. I found myself thinking about race in the US while reading through the pages this morning.

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Elections have consequences.

boredom is probably the catalyst for 90% of arguments.

I missed that last night.

Congrats bills.

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But that was a long time ago. I wasn't part of that. Dont you know that the Irish were also slaves and viewed as subhuman? Why can't the Jews just help themselves make their own county out of sand in the middle of the South China Sea? My great great grandfather came to the US with a dollar in his pocket, the clothes on his back, and didn't speak a word of English. Within a year he built his own home and strarted his own businesses. Didn't complain about it once.

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And i defended this knucklehead when someone else called him a Nazi.

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I pointed out the same thing last night. People who yell "anti-Semite" sound just like those who scream "racism" at the drop of a hat.

I understand that you're trying to use the term "anti-Semite" in a more historical way, but that's not what the modern understanding of "anti-Semite" is. When you say "anti-Semitism" today in Chicago, IL, people are not interpreting it as someone who ignores the fact that Jews have been historically persecuted and that there are both historical and contemporary examples of systemic geopolitical bullying by anti-Zionist global power interests. They are thinking of it just as "someone who hates Jews". I doubt many, if any, people here hate Jews. It's just a bad word to use.

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Would you say you position on Israel/Jews sprang from your position on Muslims or did your position on Muslims spring from your position on Israel/Jews. I'm not playing gotcha. I am kind of fascinated by your fascination and would like to know which is the chicken and which is the egg.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I don't think it's overt. Just like most white people don't actively hate blacks. But there is built in suspicion.

It does seem to me from reading this thread that many people here don't understand that Israel and Jews are inseparable. Obviously, as a Jew himself Ogie understands it quite clearly. Those who complain that the response is "disproportionate" don't grasp that the Jews were already killed in the 30s. They won't willingly go to the gas again. But many expect them to just take it.

Let me use an analogy. Slavery was an African holocaust. We still suffer its effects today. Imagine if Canada still promoted enslaving blacks and from time to time "unarmed" Canadians ran into the U.S. attempting to grab black people. If a bunch of African-Americans shot them up, do you think there is a single CFMB member who would defend the Canadians and whine about a "disproportionate response"?

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Freedom is our Strength.

Holy shit.

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I still justifiably break out into a cold sweat when I see a person wearing a red coat.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I rarely pipe in on this issue because any slight criticism of Israel is countered with "Antisemite "!

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Wow!

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

"Sure Trayvon Martin was unarmed, but because of the rash of incidents in the area George Zimmerman was justified in shooting him up".

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This is healthy thinking. Best that we always refer to one past tragedy while forgetting all others.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I'm not sure what that means, but I'll infer and respond that pain that hits closer to home always seems more acute. In fact, I'd suggest that Jews are guilty of that quite often themselves as it is an article of faith in certain circles that the Holocaust was the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind and to argue against such is anti-Semitic. I don't agree with such a viewpoint.

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Last I checked, Martin wasn't charging at Zimmerman with a moltiave cocktail. Please don't marginalize the plight of African Americans in this country with your pathetic attempt to connect them to Sunni terrorists.

Please read JORR's post.

I preemptively accept your apology.

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My position on Islam isn't much different than my position on the religion in which I was raised. They are both religions/philosophies of conquest that incorporate forced conversions at gunpoint. In the tiny portion of the historical timeline in which we currently live, Christianity/Catholicism has been tempered by materialism, secular values, and worldly pleasures to a point where even the Pope refuses to acknowledge the existence of hell. The same can't be said for vast segments of the Muslim world. Judaism is different in that conversion/evangelism isn't a core principle.

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My post while perhaps not a perfect analogy, has nothing to do with Trayvon Martin.

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The protesters in Gaza are armed. Thanks.

And the main point of my analogy wasn't the fact that they are armed to various degrees, but rather that they hold a core belief in the elimination of Jews from the face of the earth.

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This may be the worst analogy presented here.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Now go home and get your fucking shinebox.

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How so? The elimination of a people or the viewpoint of said people as subhuman is the pertinent point here. Maybe you don't believe that that's what drives Arabs to attack Jews and that it's economic conditions or whatever. But that is belied by the fact that on the first day of its existence Israel was set upon by the entire Arab world.

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I mean, I still hate Joe Orr. But he is spot on here. Spot on.

It's completely nonsensical to attempt to analogize the kidnapping, rape, murder and dehumanization of a race that lived on their own separate continent with a people that find themselves as non citizens in lands they've historically lived in for centuries being brutalized by the military of a questionable administration cynically supported by Anglo-Americans and their lingering guilt over their own heinous moral failings of the 30-40's.

Edit: and the discussion of unarmed Canadians is ridiculous, unless you're going to also include the complicity of American govt. actors (military, police) with the unarmed Canadians.

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