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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:55 pm 
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You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.


No, I am literally not defending him. I never have.

This is why so many people on here despise you. You can't have an honest discussion.

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And why you are sitting here questioning what Mark Jackson knows about basketball it was he who first declared Curry and Thompson to be 2 of the best shooters in NBA history. When he did it i'm sure you called him an idiot then too.

As leash likes to point out - even an idiot can say something correct. I am not saying everything Jackson says is dumb. I'm saying he's a dumb guy and a proven failure as a head coach. Dumb guy is subjective, proven failure is not - he was fired and his team immediately when four rounds further in the playoffs and won the title with the same team. There is nothing you can say that will spin that as a positive.



You don't have a conception of what constitutes failure. He won 53% of his games as a head coach. He also was 32 games over .500 his last 2 seasons as coach.

That isn't a failure in my book.

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You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.


No, I am literally not defending him. I never have.

This is why so many people on here despise you. You can't have an honest discussion.

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I'm sure its a lot more that respect me for speaking my mind too. I guarantee that.

You basically started disqualifying everyone that disagreed with you including me even while claiming that you were attempting to hold an "honest" discussion.

It became about bashing all the guys that i cited who agreed with me simply because your point about NBA community was discredited.

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Golden State is the first team I've seen succeed with this approach.. I understand teams copying it but they won't win.. Klay and Steph are too consistent and they play great team D. I expect more teams will move away from volume chucking 3's.

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They won't. All the analytics say you should shoot layups or threes, and they're right. There was a college team this year who did that better than anyone in the country... and that was Loyola. It's nice to have a mid-range game to close, but over the course of a game or series, shooting layups and threes gives you the best percentages.

GS is really good at it because they have three historically great 3-point shooters, and one is seven foot tall.

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Golden State is the first team I've seen succeed with this approach.. I understand teams copying it but they won't win.. Klay and Steph are too consistent and they play great team D. I expect more teams will move away from volume chucking 3's.



Its a copycat league. If you can shoot like those two you use it but simply shooting 3's to shoot 3's (which is what D'Antoni advocates is bad strategy.

The have have essentially told everyone that they aren't going to shoot mid range shots (how is that smart in terms of game planning) Golden State for all of the splash brothers stuff still had to go out and get Durant too in order to have juggernaut.

Houston's defense and not their one dimensional offense got them back in that series. D'Antoni had nothing to do with that.

312 and i think you agree its bad basketball.

For all the talk about "efficiency" the 85 Lakers avg 5 points per game more than G.S. they weren't the highest scoring team in the league either.

Why? took better shots. They avg 3 attempts from 3 per game. 1 make per on avg.


They avg. 118 points a game

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I remember Dantoni in Phoenix, led the league in ppg and no Defense.. That wont win in the post season.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 8:52 pm 
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They won't. All the analytics say you should shoot layups or threes, and they're right. There was a college team this year who did that better than anyone in the country... and that was Loyola. It's nice to have a mid-range game to close, but over the course of a game or series, shooting layups and threes gives you the best percentages.

GS is really good at it because they have three historically great 3-point shooters, and one is seven foot tall.



Golden State and this was repeated throughout the series with Houston either takes, makes,or scores more from mid range than they do the 3 point line.

There was a stat attributed to their proficiency from mid range.


In successive nights you saw the downside with simply jacking up 3's.

Its not that they were "simply missing". If that were the case it would be more acceptable.

They were terrible shots in most cases. Harden had a hand in his face on most of his shots. So did Green and Gordon too. They were extended out to 27 feet and Golden State could do that because they don't have worry about them from mid range.

You have 8 guys on their team who shoot more 3's than the 85 Lakers as a team yet the Lakers still managed 6 more points per game.

This in an era of physicality and hand checking. How is that a more efficient way to play.

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I remember Dantoni in Phoenix, led the league in ppg and no Defense.. That wont win in the post season.

Houston played good defense this season and this postseason.

If Paul stays healthy they might take one of the last two games and this thread never happens. Houston had a fine season.

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I remember Dantoni in Phoenix, led the league in ppg and no Defense.. That wont win in the post season.


The crazy part about it and Miller and Webber touched on it, was that it was obvious that there "was no plan B". Where was the adjustments? Harden shot 26% from 3 going into that game and his first shot was a step back 3 from 25 feet out.

The defense made this series close and the person most responsible for it was Jeff BD?

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I remember Dantoni in Phoenix, led the league in ppg and no Defense.. That wont win in the post season.


The crazy part about it and Miller and Webber touched on it, was that it was obvious that there "was no plan B". Where was the adjustments? Harden shot 26% from 3 going into that game and his first shot was a step back 3 from 25 feet out.

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312player wrote:
I remember Dantoni in Phoenix, led the league in ppg and no Defense.. That wont win in the post season.


The crazy part about it and Miller and Webber touched on it, was that it was obvious that there "was no plan B". Where was the adjustments? Harden shot 26% from 3 going into that game and his first shot was a step back 3 from 25 feet out.

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I'm all for that but you have to take better shots. There is a such things as a good shot and a bad shot. There is also a thing called an adjustment when something isn't working.

Trevor Ariza should never be allowed to miss 11 threes in a game. Ever.

As stated the 85 Lakers avg 118 points a game in 85. They made 1 three per game. Weren't even the highest scoring team either.

Highest scoring team this year scored 113 and made 11 per game.


Lakers scored more because they took better i.e. higher percentage shots, not necessarily threes.

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He also had a young team that had never won shit anyway. Kerr isn't some great shakes and has really benefitted from having top flight assistants and superior talent.

Most people thought Jackson was screwed.

You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.

You keep talking about everyone using them. I'm not talking about who uses them. I'm talking about disciples of it. I'm talking about those that think the world is stupid if you don't subscribe to every aspect of it.

G.S. Shoots more mid range shots than 3's. Thats blasphemous in the world of Morey. G.S. isn't a disciple of analytics.

S.A. uses it but they also take a number of mid range shots.
Why hasn’t Jackson gotten another shot as a head coach if he was a good coach and most people feel he was screwed? Hell, even Scott Skiles got 4 chances.

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He also had a young team that had never won shit anyway. Kerr isn't some great shakes and has really benefitted from having top flight assistants and superior talent.

Most people thought Jackson was screwed.

You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.

You keep talking about everyone using them. I'm not talking about who uses them. I'm talking about disciples of it. I'm talking about those that think the world is stupid if you don't subscribe to every aspect of it.

G.S. Shoots more mid range shots than 3's. Thats blasphemous in the world of Morey. G.S. isn't a disciple of analytics.

S.A. uses it but they also take a number of mid range shots.
Why hasn’t Jackson gotten another shot as a head coach if he was a good coach and most people feel he was screwed? Hell, even Scott Skiles got 4 chances.



I don't know and i'm not his greatest fan as a coach. I think he knows basketball however.

If he wants to coach he will get another job. I think its a stretch to call a guy with a 53% winning percentage as a coach a failure. Those teams weren't all that stacked and there were injuries to key players as i recall.

I didn't particularly care for his offense but its not like Kerr is the architect of G.S.s offense either.

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For completely ruining the game of basketball with your emphasis on 3 point shots. For telling the world that they are idiots for thinking that the game is meant to be played and not micromanaged.


I was thinking about this last night. The Celtics and the Rockets shot themselves out of the Finals.

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He also had a young team that had never won shit anyway. Kerr isn't some great shakes and has really benefitted from having top flight assistants and superior talent.

Most people thought Jackson was screwed.

You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.

You keep talking about everyone using them. I'm not talking about who uses them. I'm talking about disciples of it. I'm talking about those that think the world is stupid if you don't subscribe to every aspect of it.

G.S. Shoots more mid range shots than 3's. Thats blasphemous in the world of Morey. G.S. isn't a disciple of analytics.

S.A. uses it but they also take a number of mid range shots.
Why hasn’t Jackson gotten another shot as a head coach if he was a good coach and most people feel he was screwed? Hell, even Scott Skiles got 4 chances.



He's a phony preacher who got sgaken down by a stripper.. Not a good look for an average coach.

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For completely ruining the game of basketball with your emphasis on 3 point shots. For telling the world that they are idiots for thinking that the game is meant to be played and not micromanaged.


I was thinking about this last night. The Celtics and the Rockets shot themselves out of the Finals.


Force feeding the 3 cost both teams. Combined 14 for 83 from 3 point range in game 7's.

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He also had a young team that had never won shit anyway. Kerr isn't some great shakes and has really benefitted from having top flight assistants and superior talent.

Most people thought Jackson was screwed.

You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.

You keep talking about everyone using them. I'm not talking about who uses them. I'm talking about disciples of it. I'm talking about those that think the world is stupid if you don't subscribe to every aspect of it.

G.S. Shoots more mid range shots than 3's. Thats blasphemous in the world of Morey. G.S. isn't a disciple of analytics.

S.A. uses it but they also take a number of mid range shots.
Why hasn’t Jackson gotten another shot as a head coach if he was a good coach and most people feel he was screwed? Hell, even Scott Skiles got 4 chances.


Probably the same reason Kenny Smith hasn't. They both have cushy jobs and will only leave for the "perfect" situation.

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He also had a young team that had never won shit anyway. Kerr isn't some great shakes and has really benefitted from having top flight assistants and superior talent.

Most people thought Jackson was screwed.

You are doing the Jorr i'm not defending him even as i'm defending him routine too.

You keep talking about everyone using them. I'm not talking about who uses them. I'm talking about disciples of it. I'm talking about those that think the world is stupid if you don't subscribe to every aspect of it.

G.S. Shoots more mid range shots than 3's. Thats blasphemous in the world of Morey. G.S. isn't a disciple of analytics.

S.A. uses it but they also take a number of mid range shots.
Why hasn’t Jackson gotten another shot as a head coach if he was a good coach and most people feel he was screwed? Hell, even Scott Skiles got 4 chances.


Probably the same reason Kenny Smith hasn't. They both have cushy jobs and will only leave for the "perfect" situation.

Kenny Smith hasn't failed as a head coach already. He'll definitively get a chance. Jackson has failed. Jackson may get one more chance but he certainly won't have his pick of jobs. He just recently got passed over for the Knicks head coaching job despite interviewing for it.

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