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We will be seeing no more of Boilermaker Rick in this thread, of that you can be mostly certain.


You're not new.

You know nothing will scare Rick off.

Nah he'll run off and pretend it never happened. When you actually corner him he disappears, he just rarely puts himself in a position where he can be obviously disproven. He got lazy and thought I just made up the whole part with the gun without verifying his assumption. He doesn't fuck up like that too often, I'll give him that much credit.


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So it's 3 in the afternoon. Guy is playing loud music and drinking in his garage. Some woman gets offended at the lyrics (not that he was listening to Drake) and calls the police. They show up and the guy whips around a gun before closing the door. Then cops shoot 4 time in 1.2 seconds (including a head shot that medical experts testify disabled all motor functions) and kill the guy. They don't know he's dead though so they call for SWAT and when they find the guy the gun is in his back pocket.

That about right?


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The sheriff said some of Hill's family told them that Hill was alive but scared to come out


Its funny how basic facts change over the course of 4 years.


Yes it is.

The family probably told cops he was still alive so they had time to get in the garage and fix up the scene.

Exactly how the gun wound up unloaded and in his back pocket. They were thinking big payday from the start.


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 Post subject: Re: $.04
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:25 pm 
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Difference in how they handle noise complaints in California.

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:30 pm 
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Unfortunately I'm on a "sit down & be humble" time-out right now, so you're gonna have to fend for yourself buddy. I'm sure the official webpage of Black Lives Matter will have the type of unbiased reporting you want.

Just say you were wrong. That response is just sad.

Here you go. It takes some searching to find articles about the incident itself and not outraged rags freaking out about the jury correctly appraising the life's worth of this zero. But here's one from the day after.

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FORT PIERCE — Two St. Lucie County deputies are on administrative leave after a shooting that killed a Fort Pierce man.

Sheriff Ken Mascara expressed his condolences to the family of 30-year-old Gregory Vaughn Hill Jr., who was killed by a deputy Tuesday.

Wednesday there was still plenty of activity outside Hill's home on Avenue Q as detectives combed the scene looking for more clues.

Tuesday's confrontation began after a call came in that there was loud and obscene music coming from the home.

Two deputies arrived and tried making contact with Hill. When Hill manually opened his garage door, he was armed according to the sheriff.

The sheriff said Hill then raised the gun at deputies while trying to shut the garage. Hill was shot multiple times through the garage door.

Hill's family can't believe the father of two is dead over a music complaint.

"Any homeowner can have a gun in their home that is true. However, when law enforcement arrives at your home doing lawful duty and you're confronted with law enforcement and they give you an order to drop that gun, the last thing anyone should do is raise that gun," said Sheriff Mascara.

"Why would you come to a call that says loud music and it turns into a deadly killing?" asked Hill's cousin Sylvia Tomie.

The shooting led to a SWAT standoff because deputies didn't know if Hill was still alive inside.

The sheriff said some of Hill's family told them that Hill was alive but scared to come out. A gun was found by Hill's body that was just inside the garage. The sheriff said Hill had a decade long rap sheet.

The two deputies involved are Christopher Newman, who just joined the sheriff's office last October but had been with Ft. Pierce police for a decade. He has no disciplinary actions.

The other deputy is Edward Lopez, who has served in several capacities in the sheriff's office since 2004. Both are on administrative leave. The sheriff would not say who fired the deadly shot or how many times Hill was hit.

An autopsy will be performed Thursday.

The shooting happened just as students were getting out from Francis K Sweet Elementary across the street.

No shell cases were found there and the school was on lockdown for a time. A school spokesman said Wednesday they resumed normal operations and 93% of the students were in attendance.

The St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office still looking for witnesses to the incident. You can call the Criminal Investigation Division at 772-462-3230.

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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America wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
America wrote:
We will be seeing no more of Boilermaker Rick in this thread, of that you can be mostly certain.


You're not new.

You know nothing will scare Rick off.

Nah he'll run off and pretend it never happened. When you actually corner him he disappears, he just rarely puts himself in a position where he can be obviously disproven. He got lazy and thought I just made up the whole part with the gun without verifying his assumption. He doesn't fuck up like that too often, I'll give him that much credit.

I asked for a link. :lol: You got me cornered by providing it!

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:lol: yea just asking for a link. Hence the following "just admit you were wrong" post.


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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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:lol: yea just asking for a link. Hence the following "just admit you were wrong" post.

Yeah. You wouldn't post it. You then did. Next time just back up your assertions immediately.

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You're being a lot less confrontational now. Like the only reason you're still present in this thread is because I specifically predicted that you'd disappear.


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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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You're being a lot less confrontational now. Like the only reason you're still present in this thread is because I specifically predicted that you'd disappear.

Confrontational? Read your posts about me. Normally when someone won't post a link it's because they are wrong.

I also have never disappeared from a thread. People normally complain I don't so this is a nice change.

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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Yeah but which one of you is listening to theatre music?


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You're being a lot less confrontational now. Like the only reason you're still present in this thread is because I specifically predicted that you'd disappear.

Confrontational? Read your posts about me. Normally when someone won't post a link it's because they are wrong.

I also have never disappeared from a thread. People normally complain I don't so this is a nice change.

You're actually arguing about the time it took for me to prove you wrong just because you feel obligated.


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Yeah but which one of you is listening to theatre music?

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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You're being a lot less confrontational now. Like the only reason you're still present in this thread is because I specifically predicted that you'd disappear.

Confrontational? Read your posts about me. Normally when someone won't post a link it's because they are wrong.

I also have never disappeared from a thread. People normally complain I don't so this is a nice change.

You're actually arguing about the time it took for me to prove you wrong just because you feel obligated.

No. I argue about everything.

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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

Actually it sounds like you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and have resorted to literally fantasizing about bizarre hypotheticals that somehow pin the blame on the police.


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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

You are right. America's article never said pointed.

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 Post subject: Re: $.04
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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

You are right. America's article never said pointed.


So is this one of those situations where you think cops need to be shot at before they can fire?


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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

You are right. America's article never said pointed.


So is this one of those situations where you think cops need to be shot at before they can fire?


No.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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The cops said he raised a gun in their direction as he reached over his head to close the garage door.

Sounds a lot more like was just closing the garage door with the same hand as the gun or both hands.

You are right. America's article never said pointed.


So is this one of those situations where you think cops need to be shot at before they can fire?

I question the need to shoot someone through a garage door over a noise complaint.

That doesn't mean the guy had to fire first but it seems strange to kill a guy over this.

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We are back to "noise complaint" and not "pointed gun at cops". I'm sure you're ready to say that raising a gun in the direction of somebody is different than pointing, which it is not.


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Um,if this guy did have a rap sheet a mile long,why did he have a gun at all?

Plus,the officers told him to drop the gun. it seems to be a runing refrain in all these cases, a basic lack of following a command from police.

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We are back to "noise complaint" and not "pointed gun at cops". I'm sure you're ready to say that raising a gun in the direction of somebody is different than pointing, which it is not.


Of course he is. Except he's the guy that argued that Aroldis Chapman firing bullets into the wall of his garage was clearly and unquestionably intimidation of his girlfriend who couldn't even see him. He's going to look pretty silly now trying to say "no, he raised the weapon in front of the officers, he didn't point it at them, so they shouldn't have shot".


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We are back to "noise complaint" and not "pointed gun at cops". I'm sure you're ready to say that raising a gun in the direction of somebody is different than pointing, which it is not.


Of course he is. Except he's the guy that argued that Aroldis Chapman firing bullets into the wall of his garage was clearly and unquestionably intimidation of his girlfriend who couldn't even see him. He's going to look pretty silly now trying to say "no, he raised the weapon in front of the officers, he didn't point it at them, so they shouldn't have shot".

Firing a gun > holding a gun.

I'm a big 2A guy. Don't think the very fact you are holding a gun makes you a person who should be shot.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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We are back to "noise complaint" and not "pointed gun at cops". I'm sure you're ready to say that raising a gun in the direction of somebody is different than pointing, which it is not.


Of course he is. Except he's the guy that argued that Aroldis Chapman firing bullets into the wall of his garage was clearly and unquestionably intimidation of his girlfriend who couldn't even see him. He's going to look pretty silly now trying to say "no, he raised the weapon in front of the officers, he didn't point it at them, so they shouldn't have shot".

Firing a gun > holding a gun.

I'm a big 2A guy. Don't think the very fact you are holding a gun makes you a person who should be shot.


:lol: I can't believe you're actually going to try this.

I'm fine with police being trained to shoot at armed people who while disobeying lawful commands, raise that firearm. Do you think this training is poor, and if so, why?


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What about shooting through garage doors?

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Did they fire while the door was going down? Or did the door completely close and then they fired?

Either way, Reason is right. Bad TV is to blame for this.

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You're being a lot less confrontational now. Like the only reason you're still present in this thread is because I specifically predicted that you'd disappear.

Confrontational? Read your posts about me. Normally when someone won't post a link it's because they are wrong.

I also have never disappeared from a thread. People normally complain I don't so this is a nice change.


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What about shooting through garage doors?


What is your issue with shooting through the garage door? Were bullets incapable of going through it?


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What about shooting through garage doors?

Extra points for correctly playing the deflection angle?

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