I accumulate gambling debts in my father's name.

I meant, what do you do that you don't normally do.

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Steph Curry with four straight finals in the Western Conference. Could be the greatest ever.

Enjoy the last 3 minutes of title 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530z-_yjdlU

But its in our mind the Jordan is an unstoppable unyielding force on the court.

it's too bad it's not in HD, i could better enjoy the tears of the jazz fans during the slowmo of the shot.

What, you were Youtubing Steve Kerr and ran into this? I've seen this footage no less than 50 times.

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Exactly right. And it is still fun to watch.

Amen.

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The Greatest of All Time does not have to shop himself to win titles. The accessory players come to him.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Jordan disagrees with you.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/nba-mi ... xler-story

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You are quite frankly wrong on this one.

Tried to tell you that he took it personal as many of them often do. Also told you how Drexler was regarded as one of the two best players in the league at the time. Not just best 2 guard.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/06/nba-mi ... xler-story

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Lebron's teammates in 07 were better than Jordan's Pre Pippen teams and Detroit and Boston were much better than the Detroit team that Cleveland had to beat in order to advance to the Finals. The Atlanta Hawks with Nique, Kevin Willis, and Doc Rivers were possibly better than that Detroit team also. Detroit and Boston definitely were better.

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LeBron's first run in Cleveland had some pretty poor talent on it. The first Finals run was impressive. In Miami, he had plenty of talent around him. 2 future hall of famers in their prime for the whole time. 1 future hall of famer that was still the same elite shooter for most of his time there.

Now, let's talk about his second Cleveland run.
The Cavs had Kyrie Irving who was a young player who had already established himself as an All-Star.
They were able to trade for Kevin Love, who was an elite player for many years prior to that in a move that everyone knew was coming the day LeBron signed.
This paired him with an All-Star in his prime, along with an All-Star that hadn't yet reached his prime.
The rest of the team was average at best but what do you expect in a salary cap league? Does the GOAT really need eight great players around him? It's not like BJ Armstrong and Ron Harper(where he was in his career) were going to be dominant players if not for Jordan.
So, while not quite as talent heavy as Miami, it was still a pretty good team to join/create.

It worked too. Irving continued to be a great secondary player to LeBron. At times he almost seemed to be an equal part of the Cavs gameplan which is why the clinching shot to win the title was basically all him. Kevin Love continued to do what he does while being the scapegoat when things were going bad. I only mention this because of the "good teammate" narrative but LeBron pretty much let this take place or even helped it all the while Kevin Love was battling mental health issues. Now, LeBron didn't punch Kevin Love in the face, but it's underreported that LeBron teams always seem to have a scapegoat for the failings. This Cavs team may have two.

It worked. They won a title. They lost two titles, and probably three to a team that was better than them for the first one, and significantly better for the last two.

So that brings us to this years team. Why is Lebron surrounded by such trash?
1) Kevin Love is for some reason not as good as he was at basketball. It seems unlikely that he got old, or that his skills declined. He is the same player he was when he was considered elite. We can move on.
2) Kyrie "left" under strange circumstances. At a minimum, him and LeBron didn't get along(good teammate). The most likely situation is that LeBron and him didn't get along and LeBron wanted him gone and his passive aggressiveness around and after that seems to indicate it. The Cavs made a horrible trade that looks even worse now than when they first did it for a guy who literally can be projected to be a 10 time all star who is just entering his prime. You would think that if the #1 goal was to win the title this year, the Cavs and LeBron would have done ANYTHING to keep Kyrie there.
3) Two big contracts were given to Thompson and Smith(you know, the scapegoat) who just so happened to be represented by LeBron's high school friend who became an NBA agent. Now, you never know what you could spend that money on, but when those two are part of the lack of talent around him then you have to wonder if someone who was more talented was possible along with them being paid a more market value. Instead, they are trying to solve it with guys who used to be good but aren't any more like Wade and Rose.
4) LeBron is CLEARLY leaving after this year. The Cavs weren't going to mess up the coming rebuild so LeBron could have better teammates to lose to the Warriors with.

So, we can give LeBron all the moral victories we want for doing well with this team but it's pretty clear he had a large part in it also.


I wonder if when he owns an NBA team if he'll give the guys his friend represents big deals too! He could be the next Jordan!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Leader.

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1 ... 7326487552

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LeBron has Tony Schiavone syndrome; his chair needs to be higher than everyone else's

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Jordan wouldn't have sulked on the bench during the timeout. He would have been in Hills face and then get himself and his teammates ready for overtime. He would have used the negative plays to motivate him to superman status and take over OT to win that game. NO WAY JORDAN LOSES AFTER HIS TEAMMATES FUCKED UP!

That's what makes him the GOAT and what Lebron and others are missing.

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This.

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Elections have consequences.

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Then why am I posting Harley Quinn and you Heath Ledger?

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What the hell is the deal with LBJ's beard anyway? Is it supposed to be an homage to The Amish? I don't get it. His beard is weird.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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my argument as well is that this team isn't as bad as everyone is trying to force. losing kyrie is obviously bad. but this years new role players (hill/green/clarkson/nance) are better than what they had (frye/deron/shumpert/jefferson)

Have seen this image going around social media the last couple days.

If people want to believe that Lebron is the GOAT that is fine even tho I disagree. But if you are going to say that Jordan is not even in the conversation that is fucking ridiculous. Get that weak shit out of here.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Well if Inspectah Deck says so.

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Well, Inspecteh Deck is right tho. Jordan isn't in the conversation for #2 all time..

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

You're my guy, Juiced, but come on. This is a perfect example of these arguments that are beyond parody. No one here played on the team with Jordan or Lebron. We have no idea the impact they had on their teammates. By all accounts, Pippen was the guy who helped his teammates out and helped them improve. Jordan just bullied them. And that might have worked well, but Lebron gets shit when people don't like him! When Jordan is a dick = alpha. When Lebron is a dick = bad teammate.

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Agreed. Their second best player is worse but they are actually deeper and better 3-9.

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Lebron is a terrible teammate. He routinely hangs his teammates out to dry by running to the media and essentially quit on them when he didn't want to play with them anymore. That is the essence of a bad teammate

He did the same thing against them in the last series prior to the decision too.

When he know longer wants to play with you you are either benched or traded. See. Dion Waiters and Wiggins. The guys this season. He has been known to try and get coaches fired too. Spoelstra comes to mind. Blatt was fired because of James.

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