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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.

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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.


Heck his 5.5 to 1 ratio for the season is pretty phenomenal


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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.


Heck his 5.5 to 1 ratio for the season is pretty phenomenal


I wonder what Ramon Sessions' ratio is


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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.


Heck his 5.5 to 1 ratio for the season is pretty phenomenal


Agreed. I'd be surprised if he didnt get an offer of $9M+/year this offseason. He was easily a top 10 PG this season when starting. I would love to have him on the Bulls.

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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.


Heck his 5.5 to 1 ratio for the season is pretty phenomenal


Agreed. I'd be surprised if he didnt get an offer of $9M+/year this offseason. He was easily a top 10 PG this season when starting. I would love to have him on the Bulls.


Very few teams have more than the MLE to offer and I don't any of those teams would spend $9M on him instead of a star player.


What star player is signing for $9M? I think Calderon gets more than the MLE. Anyone who signs him for the MLE or less is getting an incredible steal. He's really not better than Devin Harris(5 years, $45M)?

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I would rather have Jose Calderon then Luol or Gordon. The biggest problem with it is already paying Kirk that type of money. I agree Arenas and Brand are better, I would love to have Brand, but I would rather have Calderon than Arenas.

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I would rather have Jose Calderon then Luol or Gordon. The biggest problem with it is already paying Kirk that type of money. I agree Arenas and Brand are better, I would love to have Brand, but I would rather have Calderon than Arenas.


I know you love PG's but I'm shocked that you would say this. Calderon is a guy that showed flashes at the end of last season and had a career year in a contract year. Deng just turned 23 a couple days ago and is a much more skilled player that hasn't peaked yet and Arenas is a star that can get you 50 any night.


I've explained my thoughts on Arenas before. He is probably the most selfish player in the league, he doesnt bring it on defense, and he doesnt make his teammates better. Yes, he is incredibly talented, I just dont want him on my team.

As for Luol, I would argue he is the one who has shown flashes. Good small forwards are a dime a dozen. Im not sold on him being even the 2nd best player on a championship team.

Calderon is an excellent PG who runs a half court offense very well. Half court PG's are not easy to find. He can also score when he needs to, is extremely careful with the ball, and generally doesnt make mistakes. He's an all effort guy who is decent defensively and has the chance to be very good on the defensive end. I can see him averaging 15-10 when he gets a full time gig.

Yes I do love PG's. Not only do I find them the most exciting, but I think unless you have a Franchise Center, which Dwight Howard is the only one that comes to mind in entire league unless you count Duncan as a PF, then a great PG is the most important position to have success in today's NBA. Just look at all the teams in the playoffs. Every team in the West except the Lakers has a really good PG, and Sasha, Farmar, and Fisher are a very decent platoon.

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I would rather have Jose Calderon then Luol or Gordon. The biggest problem with it is already paying Kirk that type of money. I agree Arenas and Brand are better, I would love to have Brand, but I would rather have Calderon than Arenas.


I know you love PG's but I'm shocked that you would say this. Calderon is a guy that showed flashes at the end of last season and had a career year in a contract year. Deng just turned 23 a couple days ago and is a much more skilled player that hasn't peaked yet and Arenas is a star that can get you 50 any night.


I've explained my thoughts on Arenas before. He is probably the most selfish player in the league, he doesnt bring it on defense, and he doesnt make his teammates better. Yes, he is incredibly talented, I just dont want him on my team.

As for Luol, I would argue he is the one who has shown flashes. Good small forwards are a dime a dozen. Im not sold on him being even the 2nd best player on a championship team.

Calderon is an excellent PG who runs a half court offense very well. Half court PG's are not easy to find. He can also score when he needs to, is extremely careful with the ball, and generally doesnt make mistakes. He's an all effort guy who is decent defensively and has the chance to be very good on the defensive end. I can see him averaging 15-10 when he gets a full time gig.

Yes I do love PG's. Not only do I find them the most exciting, but I think unless you have a Franchise Center, which Dwight Howard is the only one that comes to mind in entire league unless you count Duncan as a PF, then a great PG is the most important position to have success in today's NBA. Just look at all the teams in the playoffs. Every team in the West except the Lakers has a really good PG, and Sasha, Farmar, and Fisher are a very decent platoon.

How can you say that with certainty when Toronto tries to be the Phoenix of the east? I like Calderon but unless the bulls can get rid of Heinrich & Hughes he is a pipe dream


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You guys do know that the NBA draft isn't like the NFL draft. The Bulls still have a chance of landing a top 3 pick.

Yeah, David Stern doesn't decide the NFL draft order. Let's hope the NBA office is all stocked up on liquid nitrogen.


The Bulls and Knicks could get top 3 picks.

If the Bulls don't get a high draft pick this year(and maybe even if they do), then they need to prepare themselves to enter the Lebron/Wade/Melo/Bosh bidding wars. I see no reason why Lebron wouldn't come here if the money was right. He has that big Nike contract incentive too.


Cleveland can outbid us for James, and Paxson will probably be out of a job if he waits another season or two for these guys to possibly come to Chicago.

So are you saying that Lebron James is definitely staying in Cleveland? I'm not ready to say that yet.


I wouldn't say that LeBron James is definitely staying in Cleveland, but I also wouldn't say that the Bulls are going to him, and there's no way Paxson will have a job if he still has a struggling job, and banks it all on getting a superstar player. I don't think the fans have the patience to wait on a gamble.


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FavreFan wrote:
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You guys do know that the NBA draft isn't like the NFL draft. The Bulls still have a chance of landing a top 3 pick.

Yeah, David Stern doesn't decide the NFL draft order. Let's hope the NBA office is all stocked up on liquid nitrogen.


The Bulls and Knicks could get top 3 picks.

If the Bulls don't get a high draft pick this year(and maybe even if they do), then they need to prepare themselves to enter the Lebron/Wade/Melo/Bosh bidding wars. I see no reason why Lebron wouldn't come here if the money was right. He has that big Nike contract incentive too.


Cleveland can outbid us for James, and Paxson will probably be out of a job if he waits another season or two for these guys to possibly come to Chicago.

So are you saying that Lebron James is definitely staying in Cleveland? I'm not ready to say that yet.


I really doubt he will actually. The salary wont matter because the added endorsements from playing in a bigger market will more than offset that. Also Cleveland has had 4 years to get him alot of help and outside of him the team sucks.

Not sure if the Knicks will have the cap room to sign him, and if they do they would be the obvious leading contender. The Nets should be in Brooklyn by then and they are also a big name in there, with Bron being friends with Jaz-Z. Either way I dont see LeBron resigning long term with Cleveland as the roster sits right now.


Obviously, NY, Chicago, and NJ would make sense if he's looking for a ton of endorsement money, but we'll see if he's an athlete who wants to spend his career in one spot.


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For Wade itll depend on Miami's upcoming draft. If they land Beasley and he is what we thought he was, then hes staying. If the Raps show Bosh the money I think he'll stay because he'll likely have a very talented young PG and he already said many times he loves the city of toronto and doesnt necessarily want to play in a big market, and his personality seems to corroborate that a bit.

I have no clue what will happen to Melo. He needs to get his shit together on and off the court.


I think Miami, especially if they keep Marion next season, to go with a healthy Wade, and the top pick in the draft, can get back into the mix next season.


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Jose Calderon currently has a 58-1 assist to turnover ratio in April. I would definitely spend more than the MLE for him.


Heck his 5.5 to 1 ratio for the season is pretty phenomenal


Agreed. I'd be surprised if he didnt get an offer of $9M+/year this offseason. He was easily a top 10 PG this season when starting. I would love to have him on the Bulls.


Very few teams have more than the MLE to offer and I don't any of those teams would spend $9M on him instead of a star player.


What star player is signing for $9M? I think Calderon gets more than the MLE. Anyone who signs him for the MLE or less is getting an incredible steal. He's really not better than Devin Harris(5 years, $45M)?


I think a guy like Calderon will likely be part of a sign and trade to get over that MLE.


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Arenas and Brand and I think a couple other guys that are better than him are on market. If I had money to spend I would rather offer Deng a contract in that range than spend that money on a guy who has shown flashes for about a year and a half. I probably would rather offer that type of money to Gordon before him. The Bobcats are one of the only teams that actually have the cap room.


Don't the Bobcats have room every season, and never fully use it ?


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I would rather have Jose Calderon then Luol or Gordon. The biggest problem with it is already paying Kirk that type of money. I agree Arenas and Brand are better, I would love to have Brand, but I would rather have Calderon than Arenas.


I know you love PG's but I'm shocked that you would say this. Calderon is a guy that showed flashes at the end of last season and had a career year in a contract year. Deng just turned 23 a couple days ago and is a much more skilled player that hasn't peaked yet and Arenas is a star that can get you 50 any night.


I'd take Deng over Calderon, given the Bulls situation. There's just too much money already invested in Hinrich, and I'm going to bank on Deng improving his play next season.


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Personally I think there's a chance for an immediate turnaround if the right coach is put in place and the team chemistry and work ethic improve. (yes...I know those are big ifs). The thing I would most like to see in this off-season is a commitment to improve by everyone on the team. That would mean that guys stick around Chicago and show up on a regular basis at the Berto Center to work on their game. Remember the improvement of Grant & Pippen after a summer dedicated to bulking up? Thomas and Noah in particular need to demonstrate a similar passion for the game. I'm not sure either of those guys have it in them, but I would feel alot better if we start hearing that last year taught them that nothing is given to you in this league.


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