Nope. I think Tatum will be great but Mitchell will be special.

I can see Tatum having a longer career due to age and style of play but I still believe at their best Mitchell will be the better player.

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He won't. Tatum has already lapped him.

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Lapped him? Don’t be ridiculous. You’re the only one who doesn’t think Mitchell looks great so far.

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There are others that think Tatum will be better. I also don't recall using the term great to describe Mitchell. Mitchell will be a good NBA player. Don't think he will be a great NBA player. He is a one dimensional scorer and he is a tad undersized to be a high level NBA two guard. He isn't great at any one thing yet he will be a "great" player. Ok.

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Tatum is and will very likely continue to be better. Looks like he has some of that "it".

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A 20 ppg scorer as a rookie is great. That’s gonna continue to be your problem here. I can acknowledge Tatum looks really good while still saying Mitchell is better. You’re incapable of praising Tatum without also disparaging Mitchell.

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You didn’t watch the playoffs if you don’t think Mitchell has the it factor.

Tatum might be better going forward. Mitchell was better this year and the ROY voting will clearly show that.

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He looked shitty against Houston. That was a playoff series too. Your point regarding "playoffs" is invalid. Tatum was much more impressive during the playoffs.

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Mitchell screams Marshmelo Lite type of player and considering that he didn't have a superstar on his team he had more opportunities. Tatum took the Bulls to Game 7 of the ECF.

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No me saying that he will be good is much more of a likely outcome than you saying he is "awesome" or "great" so how is it disparaging?

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Yep he benefitted from having what Barkley referred to as a "purple light". 20 per game as a No. 1 option isn't all that great.

Andrew Wiggins put up better Numbers as a rookie and FF hates him.

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My bad Wiggins 2nd yr numbers (still two years younger than Mitchell) were better. Wasn't his First. FF hates Wiggins.

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everyone hates him

Yeah I don’t hate him I just state the obvious - he’s a shitty below average player.

Mitchell as a rookie put his team on his back and surpassed nearly all expectations and destroyed a higher seed in the playoffs. Nas and Ltg are just being disingenuous if they are going to pretend that isn’t impressive.

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Rudy Gobert's return (and not Donovan Mitchell) is what turned their season around. They were 18-29 with Gobert out. Donovan "the volume chucker" Mitchell was scoring a lot of points during the 18-29 phase too and it waa having minimal impact. Gobert came back and voila they started winning.

Donovan Mitchell carrried no one.

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That’s just not reality. Gobert coming back did have a big impact but nearly everyone on the team and the coach says Mitchell turned into a leader this year.

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Proof is in the pudding. 18-29 with Gobert on the sidelines. 29-6 after he returned. or something close to it.

Thats the reality

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Gobert played in 56 games, not 35.

Mitchell averages less than 16 PPG the first 20 games of the season. He got a lot better in the second half and played a lot more minutes and was a better player as the year went on.

Your spin job just doesn't work. By any objective criteria Mitchell was an enormous part of the Jazz's success this year.

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Sure he was you said he put them on his back. That is a major exaggeration to say the least.

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No it's not. He led the team in scoring in the second half by a wide margin. He dominated OKC in the first round matchup and got the Jazz as far as they went last year even after losing a legitimate All Star in Hayward. He did all this as a rookie.

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20 point scorers have never been viewed as guys that "put teams on their back" and they were 18-29 at the point of Gobert's return. That is a fact and not simply an opinion.

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Another fact.

Jazz were 37-19 in games Gobert played

and 11-15 in games he didn't.

66% winning percentage with Gobert

little over 40% without.

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Tatum took his team to Game 7 of the conference finals when he was put in position to lead. A team that really wasn't better than the Bulls. This isn't even a debate now. Maybe we can revisit this next season.

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Gobert's really good. I've been a fan for awhile and said as much. It's one of the reasons I'm intrigued by Bamba.

But him and Mitchell needed eachother equally this year. Without Mitchell scoring 23+ ppg after November the Jazz wouldn't have made the playoffs. Without Gobert coming back and playing DPOY defense the Jazz wouldn't have made the playoffs.

Donovan also already taking the leadership role in the offseason and recruiting your guy PG13.

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Mitchell also wasn't all that "special" "awesome" or "great" against Houston either. He actually looked rather shitty.

When he had to run the point he looked subpar.

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This is just basketball retarded.

Horford is an All Star and was the Celtics best player this postseason. His series against Philadelphia was incredible. Jaylen Brown is as good as Tatum right now and played like a star many nights. Smart, Rozier, and Morris all played very well in the postseason. As I've said many times, Tatum is very good also. Add it up and that's a very talented team. If we are taking the 10 best players from the Jazz and Celtics combined 7 of them are going to be Celtics. 8 if we include a healthy Kyrie and Hayward.

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They did need each other. I don't think either carried the team. I think Gobert is more valuable due to what he brings to the table defensively.

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Gobert also got clowned by Capela in that series and you were just arguing that he was very good this season.

Houston was clearly the second best team in the league this year. I don't see any shame in a lower seed losing 4-1 to them when the lower seed was missing it's third best player and was relying on a rookie as it's primary playmaker. Houston also centered it's entire defensive gameplan around stopping Mitchell because of how bad all the other Jazz players are offensively.

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That's fair as an analysis of this year. I think Mitchell will improve a lot and change that going forward. He has all the tools and seems to have the drive to be great.

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You can't make him a rookie when it doesn't serve your purpose and an MVP candidate when it does.

He demonstrated that he had difficulty in creating offense for himself and others. As i stated before it is hard to be great when you aren't really great at anything.


He is a good player. Don't think he will be a great player and Tatum was clearly the better playoff performer.

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