You're my guy, Juiced, but come on. This is a perfect example of these arguments that are beyond parody. No one here played on the team with Jordan or Lebron. We have no idea the impact they had on their teammates. By all accounts, Pippen was the guy who helped his teammates out and helped them improve. Jordan just bullied them. And that might have worked well, but Lebron gets shit when people don't like him! When Jordan is a dick = alpha. When Lebron is a dick = bad teammate.

You're my guy, Juiced, but come on. This is a perfect example of these arguments that are beyond parody. No one here played on the team with Jordan or Lebron. We have no idea the impact they had on their teammates. By all accounts, Pippen was the guy who helped his teammates out and helped them improve. Jordan just bullied them. And that might have worked well, but Lebron gets shit when people don't like him! When Jordan is a dick = alpha. When Lebron is a dick = bad teammate.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

But could he go back to the 1950s and dominate Bill Russell?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Lebron James stars in "Hot Tub Time Machine 3".

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

But could he go back to the 1950s and dominate Bill Russell?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

MJ never sat out with 5 min left regadless the score.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

BUT, they would not have beat the 86 Celts or many of the late 80s lakers.

Then they look at me like cool, you a knowledgeable fan.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He sat out more 4th quarters of blowouts than any NBA player ever.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He sat out more 4th quarters of blowouts than any NBA player ever.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He sat out more 4th quarters of blowouts than any NBA player ever.

ya when they were winning, not when they were losing.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

ya when they were winning, not when they were losing.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

As explained in the notes in the graphic, the two wind rose diagrams each map to Michael Jordan’s and LeBron James’ postseason runs, respectively. The blue wedges represent their playoff VORP during those campaigns, with the pink wedge representing their best teammate’s playoff VORP, and the dark wedge representing their second-best teammate. Two things immediately stand out. For starters, LeBron’s wind rose diagram has a lot of blue, showing not just how superlative his postseason play has been, but also how much his teammates have largely struggled to measure up to that standard during that time. On the flip side, MJ actually had two Finals runs, in 1996 and 1998, where Scottie Pippen posted a better VORP than he did. By VORP alone, this has been James’ most productive postseason, recording an astounding 3.4 VORP with games still left to play (for comparison, Jordan’s best playoff VORP was 2.8, though it should be noted that it was in 17 games, while James has already played 19). His best two teammates have been Larry Nance Jr. (0.5) and the aforementioned sharpshooter Kyle Korver (0.4). In terms of LeBron’s ability to do more with less, this run often gets compared to 2007. However, while his teammates may have been slightly worse, LeBron was nowhere near the peak of his powers yet; as such the disparity between him and the top talent around him wasn’t quite as wide. While James did get to enjoy playing with prime Dwyane Wade for a couple of years in Miami (the reduction in size of the pink wedges year by year from 2011 to 2014 show how sharply Wade aged), for the most part, he hasn’t had the benefit of teammates capable of consistently lifting him on the NBA’s biggest stages. So, the next time LeBron James’ finals record comes up, the reaction should not be one of scorn or derision. Instead, we may be better served appreciating that James could at once play both King and Kingmaker and make such a record possible at all.

Jordan had it easier in the finals. Check out the graph at the link below then read the text.

https://fansided.com/2018/06/04/nylon-c ... -the-east/

Utter garbage. Let's appreciate how impressive LeBron's 6 Finals losses are!

This is what happens when people dive too deep into the numbers at the expense of watching what actually happens on the court.