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I think the Jerome James signing was worse than the Brand deal. At least Krause had the excuse he was trying to rebuild again. Trading Brand was starting over. He got Bowen and Brian Skinner back in that deal too but the Bulls had no use for them.

Brand was going into his third year and had averaged 20/10 his first two years. Why would you need to start over?

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Nas wrote:
I think the Jerome James signing was worse than the Brand deal. At least Krause had the excuse he was trying to rebuild again.


What does that even mean? He was trying to rebuild again? He had an All Star PF to build his franchise around. What does rebuild again mean? Thats like Minnesota trading Al Jefferson right now to rebuild again next year. The Jerome James signing is nowhere near as bad simply because it didnt set the Knicks franchise back 3 years like the Brand trade did. It was just another example of Isiah's ongoing ineptitude.

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I think Brand and Curry would look something like Curry and Randolph.


I dont get what you are saying here. You cant possibly be implying Brand and Randolph are the same player defensively. Randolph is nowhere near on Brand's level. Elton Brand is an All Star bordering on superstar if he can stay healthy.

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I think the Jerome James signing was worse than the Brand deal. At least Krause had the excuse he was trying to rebuild again.


What does that even mean? He was trying to rebuild again? He had an All Star PF to build his franchise around. What does rebuild again mean? Thats like Minnesota trading Al Jefferson right now to rebuild again next year. The Jerome James signing is nowhere near as bad simply because it didnt set the Knicks franchise back 3 years like the Brand trade did. It was just another example of Isiah's ongoing ineptitude.

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I think Brand and Curry would look something like Curry and Randolph.


I dont get what you are saying here. You cant possibly be implying Brand and Randolph are the same player defensively. Randolph is nowhere near on Brand's level. Elton Brand is an All Star bordering on superstar if he can stay healthy.


I'm talking about 2 buys that like to play with their backs to the basket. It's hard to have both on the court at the same time because they are likely to clog up the lane. Chandler was an effort and defensive guy that made up for Curry's lack of rebounding and defense.


Well Curry sucks is the biggest factor in that scenario. His offensive skills are vastly overrated, hes a terrible rebounder, and probably the worst defensive center in the league. Anyone + him = automatically bad frontcourt. I dont see why you wouldnt keep Brand and then either take Curry(noone knew he would be this much of a bust) or someone else but the solution isnt to trade Brand. He was a proven commodity at that point. You could argue that what Krause did in that draft was the biggest example of why the +1 rule was instituted, because GM's were becoming so obsessed with teenagers with upside they were too stupid to see what was already in front of them.

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You could argue that what Krause did in that draft was the biggest example of why the +1 rule was instituted, because GM's were becoming so obsessed with teenagers with upside they were too stupid to see what was already in front of them.


I was more under the impression that he saw Brand as a solid guy but not a franchise changing player/superstar, and decided to roll the dice on Curry & Chandler thinking they had high ceilings and feeling that Brand has already maxed out his potential.

Kind of fits with that you're saying, but I think he did know what he had in front of him, he just thought Brand wasn't going to lead them to a title.


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You could argue that what Krause did in that draft was the biggest example of why the +1 rule was instituted, because GM's were becoming so obsessed with teenagers with upside they were too stupid to see what was already in front of them.


I was more under the impression that he saw Brand as a solid guy but not a franchise changing player/superstar, and decided to roll the dice on Curry & Chandler thinking they had high ceilings and feeling that Brand has already maxed out his potential.

Kind of fits with that you're saying, but I think he did know what he had in front of him, he just thought Brand wasn't going to lead them to a title.


Bagels, you are exactly right. He thought Brand was a good PF and would not be elite and that Curry/Chandler would be much better.

FF, as for the +1 ruling, both Chandler and Curry would have been very good in college and probably did not effect their draft status. It was more for the guys like James Lang who went in the second round of 2003 and never saw the court or others that went undrafted.


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You could argue that what Krause did in that draft was the biggest example of why the +1 rule was instituted, because GM's were becoming so obsessed with teenagers with upside they were too stupid to see what was already in front of them.


I was more under the impression that he saw Brand as a solid guy but not a franchise changing player/superstar, and decided to roll the dice on Curry & Chandler thinking they had high ceilings and feeling that Brand has already maxed out his potential.

Kind of fits with that you're saying, but I think he did know what he had in front of him, he just thought Brand wasn't going to lead them to a title.


Bagels, you are exactly right. He thought Brand was a good PF and would not be elite and that Curry/Chandler would be much better.

FF, as for the +1 ruling, both Chandler and Curry would have been very good in college and probably did not effect their draft status. It was more for the guys like James Lang who went in the second round of 2003 and never saw the court or others that went undrafted.


I disagree. I dont think Stern had the kids who went undrafted in mind, I think he was more concerned with alot of the top picks being wasted on high school kids that didnt pan out. I think he wanted better quality product coming in every year, and one way to ensure that is to have them play one year in college. I think that was moreso his goal and he accomplished it. I also dont know for sure if Curry would have been a great college player.

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I miss 5 game series. You knew there would be a few upsets because of this.


Really? I was thrilled when they moved it to 7 games. Exactly for the reason you stated, I don't want to see an upset just because someone got lucky.


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