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So apparently per Goff he gave up 50k to come back to the score and they also kept him off air for 30 days to void his deal. Also very much still mad at how his exit was handled because he says management did nothing but say he was doing good and then also made sure to leak ratings numbers that werent in the key demographics. Clearly hes still quite bothered by the exit


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its been months guy. time to let it go. people get fired every day. its ok.


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Jason is generally sympathetic when he tells his story, but to claim that Robert Feder is libeling him by...publishing ratings? is pretty dishonest. I get that each of us is the main character in his own movie, but he doesn't seem to own that anything ever went wrong with his show with Dan, just that he was personally wronged.

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So apparently per Goff he gave up 50k to come back to the score and they also kept him off air for 30 days to void his deal. Also very much still mad at how his exit was handled because he says management did nothing but say he was doing good and then also made sure to leak ratings numbers that werent in the key demographics. Clearly hes still quite bothered by the exit


Gave up $50k to resign with the Score? Where? That sounds like bullshit.

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Why is he so upset ? He received a 5 figure buyout and “loads of offers “ are coming in. Hell, it’s almost like being white .

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He implied that nobody wanted to hear Mac, which is interesting, because people wanting to hear Mac was the only reason ESPN 1000 has ever registered.

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Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.

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mannybeinmanny wrote:
So apparently per Goff he gave up 50k to come back to the score and they also kept him off air for 30 days to void his deal. Also very much still mad at how his exit was handled because he says management did nothing but say he was doing good and then also made sure to leak ratings numbers that werent in the key demographics. Clearly hes still quite bothered by the exit


Gave up $50k to resign with the Score? Where? That sounds like bullshit.


He had two sirius XM shows and from everything I've heard they pay pretty well and if he went from one show to two I dont think he was doing poorly


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Jason is mad at Terry for that interview where he said that Dan and Jason dwell on topics for days at a time instead of moving briskly. Jason said that he was personally hurt by this lie and that he has so many topics to hit in a show that he doesn't get to them all. Funny-sad coda to Boers & Bernstein: Terry himself is accused of listening to Imaginary Radio.

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Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.


This is pretty fair, while he kinda got a raw deal it sounds like hes concluded most of this wasn't his fault and there were DEFINITELY things that were his fault. Him and Dan werent ever as good as even him and spiegs and hes gotta own at least part of that.


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Jason is mad at Terry for that interview where he said that Dan and Jason dwell on topics for days at a time instead of moving briskly. Jason said that he was personally hurt by this lie and that he has so many topics to hit in a show that he doesn't get to them all. Funny-sad coda to Boers & Bernstein: Terry himself is accused of listening to Imaginary Radio.


That's unfortunate.

Jason really does need to just let it go and stop talking because he's doing himself no favors by continuing to ignore the realities.

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Jason is generally sympathetic when he tells his story, but to claim that Robert Feder is libeling him by...publishing ratings? is pretty dishonest. I get that each of us is the main character in his own movie, but he doesn't seem to own that anything ever went wrong with his show with Dan, just that he was personally wronged.


That's what my guys says.

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if he wants a better chance at being treated fairly, he picked the wrong job. the radio business is the worst


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mannybeinmanny wrote:
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Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.


This is pretty fair, while he kinda got a raw deal it sounds like hes concluded most of this wasn't his fault and there were DEFINITELY things that were his fault. Him and Dan werent ever as good as even him and spiegs and hes gotta own at least part of that.

It's strange how a thrown-together pairing like Spiegel and Goff was so much better than the virtually predestined Bernstein/Goff pairing. Why, it's almost as if Mitch Rosen is kind of bad at programming the Score.

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At this point, it is clear that Parkins is the real deal. The guy just oozes with thoughts and never takes himself too seriously.

Goff is a talent. I always loved his appearances on Kap's show. He obviously watches and loves sports. I appreciate that he wants to fight for social justice, a noble cause, but sports talk radio just isn't the best platform for that. The Goff that was so fun on the B&B show just disappeared when given the spot light. Aside from obsessing about out of town NBA talk, he went on and on about his kid. Plug in the daily SJW, and it was a really tough listen. I tried every day.....

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Jason is mad at Terry for that interview where he said that Dan and Jason dwell on topics for days at a time instead of moving briskly. Jason said that he was personally hurt by this lie and that he has so many topics to hit in a show that he doesn't get to them all. Funny-sad coda to Boers & Bernstein: Terry himself is accused of listening to Imaginary Radio.


Yeah that is weird.

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mannybeinmanny wrote:
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So apparently per Goff he gave up 50k to come back to the score and they also kept him off air for 30 days to void his deal. Also very much still mad at how his exit was handled because he says management did nothing but say he was doing good and then also made sure to leak ratings numbers that werent in the key demographics. Clearly hes still quite bothered by the exit


Gave up $50k to resign with the Score? Where? That sounds like bullshit.


He had two sirius XM shows and from everything I've heard they pay pretty well and if he went from one show to two I dont think he was doing poorly


Yeah he is talking about 50K less when he first came back to work with Spiegs. At any rate that was a decision he made to come home rather than a national show.

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Curious Hair wrote:
mannybeinmanny wrote:
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Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.


This is pretty fair, while he kinda got a raw deal it sounds like hes concluded most of this wasn't his fault and there were DEFINITELY things that were his fault. Him and Dan werent ever as good as even him and spiegs and hes gotta own at least part of that.

It's strange how a thrown-together pairing like Spiegel and Goff was so much better than the virtually predestined Bernstein/Goff pairing. Why, it's almost as if Mitch Rosen is kind of bad at programming the Score.


It's a good point about B&G. They fed into one another's bad habits. And they are both extremely talented individuals.

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Curious Hair wrote:
mannybeinmanny wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.


This is pretty fair, while he kinda got a raw deal it sounds like hes concluded most of this wasn't his fault and there were DEFINITELY things that were his fault. Him and Dan werent ever as good as even him and spiegs and hes gotta own at least part of that.

It's strange how a thrown-together pairing like Spiegel and Goff was so much better than the virtually predestined Bernstein/Goff pairing. Why, it's almost as if Mitch Rosen is kind of bad at programming the Score.


There is no one to blame but he and Bernsie. They chose to do the screw you radio, "go somewhere else if you don't like it" thing. Ironic turn the radio business evolved yet again and people did not want it.

The behind the scenes particulars and why I do not know but Bernsie got a chance to change and he did. Goff did not get the chance from management.

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denisdman wrote:
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mannybeinmanny wrote:
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Did he get a raw deal? Maybe. But he is blind to the needs of his audience. The show was not user friendly on any level. It was not a fun show. He is in the entertainment business, so he should use the firing as a learning experience.


This is pretty fair, while he kinda got a raw deal it sounds like hes concluded most of this wasn't his fault and there were DEFINITELY things that were his fault. Him and Dan werent ever as good as even him and spiegs and hes gotta own at least part of that.

It's strange how a thrown-together pairing like Spiegel and Goff was so much better than the virtually predestined Bernstein/Goff pairing. Why, it's almost as if Mitch Rosen is kind of bad at programming the Score.


It's a good point about B&G. They fed into one another's bad habits. And they are both extremely talented individuals.


We all know that Bernsie has been trying to prove his credibility with black listeners for years cause he listed to hip hop in the 80s. Once he had goff on air all the time it became so forced. With spiegs it all came across much more authentic rather than preaching and agreeing. I also just prefer Goff when he drives the show rather than jump in but you know FOTS at the time Dan wouldnt want any part of that.


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The arrogance of the hosts only made the whole thing worse.

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The behind the scenes particulars and why I do not know but Bernsie got a chance to change and he did. Goff did not get the chance from management.

Jason implied that the station was quietly exploring pairing him with other people, perhaps Laurence, but then decided to fire him instead.

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I also just prefer Goff when he drives the show rather than jump in but you know FOTS at the time Dan wouldnt want any part of that.

Dan tried to move more into the background early on in the partnership but then sort of took it back.

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mannybeinmanny wrote:
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So apparently per Goff he gave up 50k to come back to the score and they also kept him off air for 30 days to void his deal. Also very much still mad at how his exit was handled because he says management did nothing but say he was doing good and then also made sure to leak ratings numbers that werent in the key demographics. Clearly hes still quite bothered by the exit


Gave up $50k to resign with the Score? Where? That sounds like bullshit.


He had two sirius XM shows and from everything I've heard they pay pretty well and if he went from one show to two I dont think he was doing poorly


I've heard the exact opposite except for the big names at Sirius.

Maybe the $50K is the result of low Score pay.

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There was no raw deal. The B and B show's success was obviously based more in Terry fandom than Bernstein's. While the ratings might have been acceptable, they were trending in a very bad direction especially given all the headwind the show started with (Cubs baseball and Terry goodwill). Management made a move because they anticipated where ratings were heading, as any good management should do.

Goff hitched himself to the wrong wagon...just as Beardown told him from the beginning.

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."

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Dan Bernstein, who arguably took Jason under his wing more than Laurence or Hood or anyone at the Score ever did, is so conspicuously absent from Jason's postmortems that you almost suspect there's an NDA. To hear it from Jason, Matt Spiegel changed the way he did radio and saw the entire world (though I will say the "we do radio to move your soul" line we give Jason so much grief over is like textbook Spiegel), they did such a great show that they made 1000 promote Kaplan just to have a fighting chance, oh and then there was an afternoon show he didn't really wanna do and fuck Phil Rosenthal.

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Dan Bernstein, who arguably took Jason under his wing more than Laurence or Hood or anyone at the Score ever did, is so conspicuously absent from Jason's postmortems that you almost suspect there's an NDA. To hear it from Jason, Matt Spiegel changed the way he did radio and saw the entire world (though I will say the "we do radio to move your soul" line we give Jason so much grief over is like textbook Spiegel), they did such a great show that they made 1000 promote Kaplan just to have a fighting chance, oh and then there was an afternoon show he didn't really wanna do and fuck Phil Rosenthal.
I think history will look upon B&G as one of the truly great sports radio shows of all time.

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear the part about Jason being disappointed with Terry Boers. With Terry being one of his long time guys, I don't see him having anything negative to say about Terry at all. Not publicly, anyway. Is there a minute marker that you can pin this to, CH?

Sure thing: it's around 38:30 of part 2.

". . . And for people to speak on it without facts, people I respect, too, people I hold near and dear to my heart, like...when I read what Terry had to say about it, it kinda...it hurt me a little bit because no, that's not what happened. I've never been the guy that's done a four-hour show on anything. If anything, you know me, I've got stuff I don't get to because I want to keep it moving. I've been the guy who's told 'hey, bring that back,' but no, I'm on to the next thing. I can't duplicate that feeling."


That's just sad. Terry made his career for the most part.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Dan Bernstein, who arguably took Jason under his wing more than Laurence or Hood or anyone at the Score ever did, is so conspicuously absent from Jason's postmortems that you almost suspect there's an NDA. To hear it from Jason, Matt Spiegel changed the way he did radio and saw the entire world (though I will say the "we do radio to move your soul" line we give Jason so much grief over is like textbook Spiegel), they did such a great show that they made 1000 promote Kaplan just to have a fighting chance, oh and then there was an afternoon show he didn't really wanna do and fuck Phil Rosenthal.
I think history will look upon B&G as one of the truly great sports radio shows of all time.


i understand the trolling.... but if not for these boards and those willing to read through and post goff's whining on podcasts/social media the show would have already been forgotten, that's how unremarkable it was.


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