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 Post subject: Re: CARTER--BUM--LOTTERY
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Bulls building the roster around Markkanen: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls ... -nba-draft

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also dude was in foul trouble all game every game. played 22 minutes against Kansas in the tournament and did absolutely nothing, basically got run out of the gym. UNC wang whipped him too, never played more than 30 minutes against them and he looked mediocre each time. This guy isn't good, he fooled people by being smart and hard working. That's great, I'm sure he'll have a wonderful career doing something else, but in the NBA you gotta be really good at basketball.


Yeah. The more that you look at it the worse the pick looks. I think he's a 10 and 10 guy at best.


You are luck if the 7th pick in the draft is friggin Taj.

Or Steph Curry.


That would be great.

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Look I am not trying to put down the NBA. From a casual fan perspective I would like to have more hope on draft day than I get here.

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[Well that's obviously because of the roster size of each respective sport. Has nothing to do with the quality of players in each draft.


No. If Lamar Jackson (5th player taken at his position) is not a starting QB at or before year 4, that is a wasted pick and the GM will take heat. If Omari Spellman never starts a game in his career, no one will care.

That’s wrong too.

Kizer just got traded for peanuts after one failed rookie year and nobody in Cleveland seems to give a shit or put heat on their GM.


John Dorsey did not draft Kizer

Kizer was a starter in year 1 as a second round pick and was considered a bust after that short of a time. That shows you the expectation level of an NFL pick.

I’m not following your point. He was considered a bust because he was awful. Not many people “expected” him to be anything other than that.

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 Post subject: Re: CARTER--BUM--LOTTERY
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Yep. NFL team starts 24 (offense/Defense punter kicker) guys a game and the NBA starts five. That isn't including the special teams guys. No comparison. Likelihood of an NFL player starting is much greater.


The fifth best QB in the draft (actually it goes farther down than that) must start or be considered a bust. The fifth best PG will be lucky to be in the G league



Hyperbolic. There are a number of qbs drafted that no one expects much from. Hoping and expecting are 2 different things. Some years the 5th best qb might not be drafted til the 2nd or 3rd round. No one expects much in that scenario.

How about the 5th best or best NFL Center? what expectations are there for him.

It is easier to start in the NFL. They have 5x the number of starters as does the NBA.

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Yep. NFL team starts 24 (offense/Defense punter kicker) guys a game and the NBA starts five. That isn't including the special teams guys. No comparison. Likelihood of an NFL player starting is much greater.


The fifth best QB in the draft (actually it goes farther down than that) must start or be considered a bust. The fifth best PG will be lucky to be in the G league



Hyperbolic. There are a number of qbs drafted that no one expects much from. Hoping and expecting are 2 different things. Some years the 5th best qb might not be drafted til the 2nd or 3rd round. No one expects much in that scenario.

How about the 5th best or best NFL Center? what expectations are there for him.

It is easier to start in the NFL. They have 5x the number of starters as does the NBA.


Which is why I reduced it to an individual position.

Mason Cole was the fifth best center taken in the third round. He is expected to compete immediately for a starting position

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 Post subject: Re: CARTER--BUM--LOTTERY
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At the end of the day the Bulls royally fucked up the tank. No excuse for ending up with #7. That said, they got a good player at #7, kind of guy who isn't usually available that late in most drafts.


Carter will be a good player, but history will judge this as a massive waste of opportunity.

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At the end of the day the Bulls royally fucked up the tank. No excuse for ending up with #7. That said, they got a good player at #7, kind of guy who isn't usually available that late in most drafts.


Carter will be a good player, but history will judge this as a massive waste of opportunity.


This is really the only perspective Bulls fans should have.

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Will he play next season? If so, when? Will he ever truly be healthy? Nuggets president Josh Kroenke told The Undefeated he was uncertain about whether Porter Jr. would play in summer league or during the 2018-19 season. Before his post-draft news conference, Porter Jr. walked around with a slight limp as he took a congratulatory phone call from Kroenke and head coach Michael Malone.

If you’re mad they didn’t take Porter Jr you have a very bad opinion and should probably start being happier.

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After playing a few games with him in 2k, I'm sold. Works well with Lauri, good defender (averaging 4.5 bpg through 4 games), solid shooter and athlete. Pretty effective in the pick n roll with Dunn.

Future All Star confirmed.

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Another unbiased take:

Gary Trent Jr.: “If Marvin (Bagley III) wasn’t at Duke, Wendell would be in the conversation to be the No. 1 pick. He’s just that talented. He can finish with his left or right hand, he can bring you out to the mid-range and face you up or shoot the three. On the defensive end, he’s exceptional, as well.”

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Not sure what all the fussing is about. Boozer as a comp from a size/skill perspective isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The dude is a legit 6'10 250 pounder that can bang down low and has enough athletic ability to hit the perimeter on offense or defense. If he winds up a 17-10 guy like Boozer basically was coupled with whatever Lauri becomes that's a pretty good combo and attraction for future FA's.


The Bulls fucked up the tank so instead of panicking and overreacting in a lopsided trade or reach for a pick to satisfy dumb fans they did a safe smart thing and accepted their fate and made a safe pick. I've got no issues with that.


The Boise State kid had me scratching my head but at least from a size/skill set perspective I can understand the thinking. Plus, he's a #22 pick, and that's not a bad spot to take a chance in the NBA draft.


People can bitch about NBA mediocrity all they want to but unless you land LeBron in FA or someone like Durant -you aren't doing much anyway. Might as well start putting a young core together now and let them develop so they're ready when the next big free agency hits and LBJ is just about done dominating.

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After playing a few games with him in 2k, I'm sold. Works well with Lauri, good defender (averaging 4.5 bpg through 4 games), solid shooter and athlete. Pretty effective in the pick n roll with Dunn.

Future All Star confirmed.



He plays well with Lebron, too.

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well it took a couple days but you guys talked yourself into this shit.


It’s much easier than talking yourself into thinking trading two 1st round picks and Bobby Portis for 2 years/$49 million of Chandler Parsons and drafting a guy you don’t want to hold him hostage is a good idea.


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Not sure what all the fussing is about. Boozer as a comp from a size/skill perspective isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The dude is a legit 6'10 250 pounder that can bang down low and has enough athletic ability to hit the perimeter on offense or defense. If he winds up a 17-10 guy like Boozer basically was coupled with whatever Lauri becomes that's a pretty good combo and attraction for future FA's.


The Bulls fucked up the tank so instead of panicking and overreacting in a lopsided trade or reach for a pick to satisfy dumb fans they did a safe smart thing and accepted their fate and made a safe pick. I've got no issues with that.


The Boise State kid had me scratching my head but at least from a size/skill set perspective I can understand the thinking. Plus, he's a #22 pick, and that's not a bad spot to take a chance in the NBA draft.


People can bitch about NBA mediocrity all they want to but unless you land LeBron in FA or someone like Durant -you aren't doing much anyway. Might as well start putting a young core together now and let them develop so they're ready when the next big free agency hits and LBJ is just about done dominating.



You have to know how bad the Bulls are when the "face" of your franchise is a guy with a girl's first name:( The Bulls do not have even the beginnings of a contending team. They have no backcourt or outside shooting from their guards. A truly awful team in a bad over-all league.

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Not sure what all the fussing is about. Boozer as a comp from a size/skill perspective isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The dude is a legit 6'10 250 pounder that can bang down low and has enough athletic ability to hit the perimeter on offense or defense. If he winds up a 17-10 guy like Boozer basically was coupled with whatever Lauri becomes that's a pretty good combo and attraction for future FA's.


The Bulls fucked up the tank so instead of panicking and overreacting in a lopsided trade or reach for a pick to satisfy dumb fans they did a safe smart thing and accepted their fate and made a safe pick. I've got no issues with that.


The Boise State kid had me scratching my head but at least from a size/skill set perspective I can understand the thinking. Plus, he's a #22 pick, and that's not a bad spot to take a chance in the NBA draft.


People can bitch about NBA mediocrity all they want to but unless you land LeBron in FA or someone like Durant -you aren't doing much anyway. Might as well start putting a young core together now and let them develop so they're ready when the next big free agency hits and LBJ is just about done dominating.



You have to know how bad the Bulls are when the "face" of your franchise is a guy with a girl's first name:( The Bulls do not have even the beginnings of a contending team. They have no backcourt or outside shooting from their guards. A truly awful team in a bad over-all league.


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This has to be an act, right Hawk? You cant be this stupid. His name could be Blanche, or Helen, or Elizabeth and if he is a multiple.time All Star and helps the Bulls win a title nobody will give a shit.

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Not sure what all the fussing is about. Boozer as a comp from a size/skill perspective isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The dude is a legit 6'10 250 pounder that can bang down low and has enough athletic ability to hit the perimeter on offense or defense. If he winds up a 17-10 guy like Boozer basically was coupled with whatever Lauri becomes that's a pretty good combo and attraction for future FA's.


The Bulls fucked up the tank so instead of panicking and overreacting in a lopsided trade or reach for a pick to satisfy dumb fans they did a safe smart thing and accepted their fate and made a safe pick. I've got no issues with that.


The Boise State kid had me scratching my head but at least from a size/skill set perspective I can understand the thinking. Plus, he's a #22 pick, and that's not a bad spot to take a chance in the NBA draft.


People can bitch about NBA mediocrity all they want to but unless you land LeBron in FA or someone like Durant -you aren't doing much anyway. Might as well start putting a young core together now and let them develop so they're ready when the next big free agency hits and LBJ is just about done dominating.



You have to know how bad the Bulls are when the "face" of your franchise is a guy with a girl's first name:( The Bulls do not have even the beginnings of a contending team. They have no backcourt or outside shooting from their guards. A truly awful team in a bad over-all league.

Would you prefer the franchise player be named Rickey?

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well it took a couple days but you guys talked yourself into this shit.


It’s much easier than talking yourself into thinking trading two 1st round picks and Bobby Portis for 2 years/$49 million of Chandler Parsons and drafting a guy you don’t want to hold him hostage is a good idea.

they could've had a franchise altering player and instead got stuck with Drew Gooden.


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well it took a couple days but you guys talked yourself into this shit.


It’s much easier than talking yourself into thinking trading two 1st round picks and Bobby Portis for 2 years/$49 million of Chandler Parsons and drafting a guy you don’t want to hold him hostage is a good idea.

they could've had a franchise altering player and instead got stuck with Drew Gooden.


Which player? Tell me how the Bulls could’ve gotten him.


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well it took a couple days but you guys talked yourself into this shit.


It’s much easier than talking yourself into thinking trading two 1st round picks and Bobby Portis for 2 years/$49 million of Chandler Parsons and drafting a guy you don’t want to hold him hostage is a good idea.

they could've had a franchise altering player and instead got stuck with Drew Gooden.


Which player? Tell me how the Bulls could’ve gotten him.



Exactly. Bulls did what they should've done. They already royally fucked up the tank and potentially set the franchise back any number of years, but there's no point in throwing good money after bad. You don't compound a mistake by doubling down and adding future first round draft picks and assets in order to rectify the tank fuck up.

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Not sure what all the fussing is about. Boozer as a comp from a size/skill perspective isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The dude is a legit 6'10 250 pounder that can bang down low and has enough athletic ability to hit the perimeter on offense or defense. If he winds up a 17-10 guy like Boozer basically was coupled with whatever Lauri becomes that's a pretty good combo and attraction for future FA's.


The Bulls fucked up the tank so instead of panicking and overreacting in a lopsided trade or reach for a pick to satisfy dumb fans they did a safe smart thing and accepted their fate and made a safe pick. I've got no issues with that.


The Boise State kid had me scratching my head but at least from a size/skill set perspective I can understand the thinking. Plus, he's a #22 pick, and that's not a bad spot to take a chance in the NBA draft.


People can bitch about NBA mediocrity all they want to but unless you land LeBron in FA or someone like Durant -you aren't doing much anyway. Might as well start putting a young core together now and let them develop so they're ready when the next big free agency hits and LBJ is just about done dominating.



You have to know how bad the Bulls are when the "face" of your franchise is a guy with a girl's first name:( The Bulls do not have even the beginnings of a contending team. They have no backcourt or outside shooting from their guards. A truly awful team in a bad over-all league.


Lauri is a girls name?


Not if you close your eyes and use your imagination

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This guy has a chance to be really good and his floor his very high. Looks very good defensively. America gonna look bad on this one.

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