Lets all give 98% of our income to taxes then make everything free. Groceries, gas, utilities...everything.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

False. They dedicate years and money because they'd be terrible cab drivers.

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Right, I think the poster who said Doctors shouldn't make good money at all is a moron who should be banned.


Curious Hair's last post didnt even lose the doctors ANY money, overall.

Okay, you said it, not me.

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That is actually a good way to do it. If we are going to have such long, expensive and rigorous medical training, then we have to pay doctors a lot to attract them. But if we reduce that time commitment and cost, then the system would benefit.

If I were designing a system, I would want to put students in that track at say 16 years old, and then start medical school at closer to 18-20. As a person who wanted to be a doctor, but gave up at 21, it was just too daunting of a road. Med school plus intern work after already completing a separate four year degree was too much to ask.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

He literally said "Fuck em. What do they deserve?" How else would you like me to interpret that?

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I believe that was aimed at the Lobbyists, not the actual doctors.

No one knows what they want at 16 other than to have sex. You can get kids loading up on AP bio and stuff but even precocious teenagers would tell you their own brains are still too immature to make such commitments as starting med school.

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But they should vote and lecture us on gun control?

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You really are in "one crazy liberal said it, so every single left leaning normal person has to answer for it" mode.



I hope no one flips it on you and starts asking you to defend David Duke and Alex Jones.

The numbers being tossed about here today only require big chopping block bloodshed. Not a 1-2% nip in the shorts for a Doc. The chop and fixing of the inflated system is a huge swatch crossing many areas.

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Elections have consequences.

Ill give you time to amend this thought before I link to the actual thread.

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There it is, that thing I definitely said.

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There were 6 and 7 year integrated programs at a few schools when I was applying. I can’t remember the 6year one, just remember a kid in my high school wanted to do it. Mind you he was a Korean kid who moved to states when he was 16 and had to repeat a couple grades due to having to learn English so he was extremely impatient to get going. Roommate in college was in the 7 year program. The burn out rate was significant for the people who took the route the tech instead of Liberal arts and sciences.

Cool because I said med school should start at between 18-20. I certainly think we should start the track (heavy on science) much earlier and drop with the unimportant stuff at four year universities (like history and sociology) for those students in said track.


I have a BioChem undergrad degree and I took exactly three BioChem course at UIC. So I spend four years getting that degree, which was loaded up with a bunch classes that gave me nothing towards a medical career. And that is why you have to spend so much time in medical school and years at great expense to become a doctor.

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UIC has one for pharmacy. It is a six year combined undergrad/med school degree.

Burnout is common no matter what way you go to med school. I burned out before even getting there. High level science courses are extremely competitive and challenging. There was no way I was going to make it through med school competing against kids that had nothing better to do then study. I was your 5 AP Science kid in high school, and just a stupid American slug against the Russian and Chinese kids at UIC.

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Oops. LOL.

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My brother who did the whole med school,thing (after extended undergrad as he was going for poli sci until after his third year of school) was that getting into med school was the hard part and that the actual classes were pretty easy. But if there is one thing he knows how to do is study. I wish I had the ability to structure my life like he does.

I didn't say I believed they should do that, just that it would be an idea that other people could get behind.

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Aside from costs, the general fact of life is that when you turn over a service you were receiving from private industry over to government control, not only do the costs go through the roof, but the level and quality of service provided falls.

Most of us enjoy the health care we receive today. I can say from having lived in a single payer country, the quality you receive such a system is awful by comparison. Besides, how would "Medicare for all" even work when we are facing drastic shortages of doctors (especially in primary care)

If you really want to fix health care in this country, improve the pipeline for new docs (as Denis has alluded to) and find ways to lower costs. Improving the approval process for generic drugs would go a long way towards lowering costs.

it would also be nice if we made it easier for foreign docs who move here to start practicing medicine without making them do residency again, after they have already been trained and practicing for years.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Well if CH said that, then Im wrong in this instance but you've been doing that a lot lately

We could go the Milton Friedman route and eliminate licensing. Let the market sort it out. Coming soon: IMU and JORR's Gynecology Clinics. #fasttrack

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Come on. Just take your lump here. Don't qualify it.

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I hope you have this same energy about incentives mattering when right-wing education reformers propose making the job of teaching worse and expect learning outcomes to not only not go down, but actually improve.

Lump taken. Im 100% wrong.

you will slip though, and Ill be there to bust your ass

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It kinda seems like anything that might help people with less money is met with : THE ECONOMICS WILL NEVER WORK


Is it that it couldn't work or those of us who don't NEED the help don't WANT them to work?

Or do we just not have enough resources in general and some people are just fucked?

I get your point, but doctors aren't negotiating with the government. And I'm gonna guess you don't want a doctor who has killed ten previous patients and is protected by a union to perform your heart surgery.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think we have the resources but to have those we also need motivations. Liberals often seem ignorant of human nature. Governments are no less greedy than corporations.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don