More so in MANY cases.

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That's true, but really you're just saying it's the NEED vs WANT thing with haves and have nots. Good answer.

Second sentence seems unnecessary.

Aren't you a self described liberal anyway?

The point still completely stands though. Incentives either matter for the attractiveness of a job or they don't.

Maybe if becoming a doctor is less attractive under a system more akin to the rest of the developed world, we can just asset that we'll continue to get people going into medicine "for the love of the job" since that's the same magical mechanism ed reformers always resort to when it comes to teachers.

Teachers aren't close to as important as doctors. Sorry - they're just not.

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I didn't suggest that anywhere though. I merely made a point about incentives mattering for job attractiveness. Perhaps you agree though that right-wing ed reformers simply do want more D-students going into teaching by making the job less attractive?

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Now you did it.

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I have a hard time describing myself that way anymore. I'm not even sure what it means.

But I don't think so much wealth concentrated in so few hands is healthy or that it can continue without something blowing. I just think any real answer has to align with human nature. There's a reason communism sounds great but doesn't work.

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I honestly doubt that. I think they simply have a different - but honest - philosophical perspective than you do.

Regarding incentives, we can agree on the lack of quality teachers available. Most teachers are also public employees with set salaries. Do we want the same for doctors?

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And I think people who want medical care akin to most of the rest of the developed world simply have a different, but honest philosophical perspective than you do. That of course did not prevent the "just the facts, ma'am" reporting on human nature about how likely quality of care is to suffer under such a move.

Regarding incentives, if we agree that lack of quality of teachers are available, what do you think the likely impact on that is from firing hundreds of thousands of the "bad apples" not doing a good enough job under ed reformer standards, eliminating tenure and job security entirely, and minimizing benefits available by crushing those no good public unions?

Where do you want your kidney transplant done- the U.S. or Ecuador?

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Let teachers write prescriptions. It's really not that hard of a problem to solve.

Gotta agree with this, especially that the path we're on cannot continue unabated and that communism doesn't work. People my age and younger (especially younger) say they feel failed by capitalism, but we're all still human beings and therefore we like havin' stuff. But it's not wrong to say you feel failed by the drastic upward redistribution of wealth we've experienced. Capitalism still works, it just needs its boundaries redefined from time to time to save it from itself. Right now, it appears that healthcare needs to be outside those boundaries. Communism won't work, the libertarian shithead paradise won't work, and eventually the status quo won't work, but we do need a significant readjustment.

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I believe most doctors would be private employees whose largest client is the federal government. You know, like Raytheon. Betcha don't hate Raytheon.

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Do you really want doctors to see their "client" as the federal government, or would you prefer that doctors have a personal relationship with their patient?

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Then it sounds like you're arguing that there should be no health insurance at all, lest doctors care more about dealing with Blue Cross than with patients, and that people should directly pay all their bills themselves. Okay. Maybe go back to the old days of country doctors where you couldn't afford to pay in cash so you just baked him a year's worth of pies. They might still do that in Peotone.

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No. I was simply pointing out your odd use of words. Maybe that isn't what you meant. I've said for a long time that private health insurers serve no purpose.

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I'm just saying that under a single-payer system, doctors would not be employees of the hated government, they would just be paid by it as they're currently paid by multiple insurers. Republican goons feast on these campfire ghost stories of hospitals becoming DMVs where well-meaning surgeons have been replaced by over-officious fat black women on infinite lunch breaks, because that's what The Government is to people who live in McHenry County and vote Republican. That's why we have "Medicare for All" as the name for single-payer, because it's something people like and something people can understand. It's not "government healthcare," it's healthcare where the government picks up the check.

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Thank you for your thoughtful response to where I said I didn't want communism because it doesn't work and people don't really want it.

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Yeah, so many of these "communists/socialists" are phony. Victor Davis Hanson wrote this about universities the other day:

"In the 1980s, the universities embraced two antithetical agendas, both costly and reliant on borrowed money. On the one hand, campuses competed for scarcer students by styling themselves as Club Med–type resorts with costly upscale dorms, tony student-union centers, lavish gyms, and an array of in loco parentis social services. The net effect was to make colleges responsible not so much for education, but more for shielding now-fragile youth from the supposed reactionary forces that would buffet them after graduation.

But if campus materialism was at odds with classroom socialism, few seemed to notice. Instead, the idea grew up that one had no need to follow concretely the consequences of his abstract ideology. Or even worse, one’s hard-left politics — the louder and more strident the better — became a psychological means of squaring the circle of denouncing the West while being affluent and enjoying the material comforts of the good life."

I couldn't help but think of Ocasio-Cortez.

It's like Ike Reilly's "Commie Drives A Nova":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=078hF6TnK0M

I have a friend who considers herself a socialist. The other day she said, "If we all like what LeBron is doing, then why aren't we all socialists?" I don't like to get into beefs with my friends so I didn't say anything, but my immediate thought was that nobody was forcing LeBron to do what he's doing. I mean, we all like sex, but nobody wants to be held down and raped in the ass. Not to get all Objectivist like some loon from the Ayn Rand Institute, but the force of government is a critical component of socialism/communism.

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Idk what to tell you. I am not with you on the Medicare for all idea. I haven’t yet seen the sensible explanation I demand. Note I did. It say I am against in theory. Just that your pie in the sky desire needs more work.

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Ultimately, I don't believe that there is really a distinction.

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The issue with communism is that the haves/ruling class makes the decisions for the commune. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Yeah the government would never coerce behavior because they pick up the check.

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What is your ideal healthcare system? Obamacare? Obamacare with public option? Everyone just does whatever and if they can't afford good insurance they're dicked?

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You have that now.

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And it would get worse.

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It's already horrible.

At least everyone would have coverage.

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