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Hard Knocks will feature ze Cleveland Browns this year.

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On Thursday, the NFL is expected to announce that the Cleveland Browns will be featured on the next season of HBO’s Hard Knocks. They were one of six teams that couldn’t decline being the subject of this upcoming season, as per the NFL’s rules.

Those rules were simple: teams don’t have to be on the show if they have a first-year head coach, have been in a playoff game in the past two seasons, or have appeared on Hard Knocks in the past 10 years. That left the Browns, 49ers, Broncos, Chargers, Ravens and Washington.

We’re hopeful the Browns can provide more excitement than in recent seasons of the show. Last season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had its moments, but was so-so overall. The year before, starring the Los Angeles Rams, was perhaps, the dullest season of Hard Knocks yet.

The Browns, coming off an 0-16 season, have been so bad for so long and have several potentially interesting storylines entering 2018. Here’s what we want to see when the new season of Hard Knocks debuts in August:

1. Behind the scenes for one of the NFL’s most dysfunctional franchises
The Browns are one of the most unstable franchises in the league. They have churned through head coaches, general managers, starting quarterbacks, and have an owner who has his share of non-football problems.

Head coach Hue Jackson is their attempt to establish something even remotely along the lines of stability and synergy — and he’s posted a 1-31 record over the past two seasons. Many thought he would be fired this past offseason, but the Browns are taking one last grasp at keeping this crew together before they hit the big red button, which presumably is prominently featured on Jimmy Haslam’s desk with the words “FIRE COACH” on it.

Jackson is an interesting character himself, and seeing him either rise to the occasion in what is a make-or-break year or completely fall apart would make for good viewing.

We don’t want him to fail for our amusement, though it should be fascinating to see if any of that dysfunction will appear on the show. Surely, there will be plenty of it to film, but whether or not it makes it past editing is the real question.

2. Building the Browns should be fun, even when it’s bad
It’s not like we’re rooting for chaos. The Browns coming off well and gaining some support from the general NFL fan base would be great to see! They’re underdogs (even if it’s mostly their fault), and presenting a likable team would be a win for the Browns.

They’re trying to build an actual team, too. They traded for several notable players this offseason, including quarterback Tyrod Taylor, wide receiver Jarvis Landry, and safety Damarious Randall. Then they added potential immediate contributors like Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward, and Nick Chubb in the draft. Now Jackson has to sell the locker room on believing in what he’s trying to do.

3. Hue Jackson will jump into Lake Erie, and that might make the broadcast
At the end of the the 2016 season, Jackson promised that the team would not be 1-15 again.

“No. I’ll be swimming in that lake [Erie] over there somewhere. That’s not happening,” Jackson said.

The Browns went 0-16, worse than the season prior, and Jackson has said he still plans to keep his promise and jump into Lake Erie. He said he was waiting for the weather to get a bit warmer. Last week, the club announced Jackson would take the plunge on June 1 — and donate $100 to charity for each team staffer that joined him.

Razzing the coach could be for a good team-building exercise. Especially punctuated by Jackson promising the Browns will improve so he doesn’t have to do it again.

4. Welcome to the NFL, Baker Mayfield
The Browns shocked quite a few people when they selected Baker Mayfield with the first overall pick in the draft. Love him or hate him, Mayfield has all the confidence and personality to make for good viewing.

Mayfield could turn a lot of people around on him, and those that are already sold should enjoy seeing what the Browns have in store for their first-year quarterback. Mayfield isn’t lacking confidence, and whether you want to see him humbled with a “welcome to the NFL” moment or you want to see him prove his doubters wrong from the get-go, he should be fun to watch.

While Mayfield isn’t guaranteed the starting job by any means, we’ll still get to see his competition with Tyrod Taylor, a quarterback who always seemed to get the raw end of the deal with the Buffalo Bills. Sign me up.

5. John Dorsey failing to hide his disdain for being on Hard Knocks
Not many teams actually want to be on Hard Knocks. New Browns GM John Dorsey made it clear earlier in May that he was no exception.

“I don’t think there’s anything good that comes out of Hard Knocks, but we’ll see,” he said on ESPN Cleveland 850.

Dorsey deserves credit for helping the Browns make moves this offseason, but likely to his chagrin, he couldn’t keep the team off the show. He’ll probably have to be on the series at some point, and when he does, maybe he’ll play ball. Or even better, maybe he’ll roll his eyes throughout.

6. A Joe Thomas cameo
This March, Browns stalwart left tackle Joe Thomas decided to call it a career. Thomas is a funny guy and he hosts a weekly podcast with another former Brown, Andrew Hawkins. So we hope he’ll make an appearance — even if all he does is make a silly face.

7. Myles Garrett talking about dinosaurs
One of the only highlights of the Rams’ season on Hard Knocks was when Will Hayes discussed dinosaurs — specifically, how he doesn’t believe they ever existed. Myles Garrett, the Browns’ 2017 No. 1 pick, has also been known to talk about dinosaurs. Unlike Hayes, though, Garrett is a huge fan of them.

Even if the topic of dinosaurs doesn’t come up, the show should make it a point to spotlight Garrett. He’s a unique dude with a lot of interests and he has the potential to be a breakout star this season — both on the field and on Hard Knocks.


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too bad it didnt start already. would have been interesting hearing their conversations for which QB they wanted


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We saw how horrible the Bengals organization is when they were on. I wonder how bad it is in Cleveland?


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The first episode was OK.

Baker Mayfield didn't know Bob Evans was a chain restaurant.

Jarvis Landry gave an impassioned speech to the WRs about how a losing attitude is contagious and he doesn't want that here. It seemed genuine, but the most of the other WRs just sat there slouched in their chairs like slugs.

Of the four seasons I have seen -- Falcons, Texans, Rams, Buccaneers, -- the Browns, based on this one episode, seem like the least professionally run which I guess isn't a surprise given their lack of success. Their offensive line coach, Bob Wylie, is grossly overweight. Like, dangerously close to having his own TLC series.

Josh Gordon sent Hue Jackson a nice text after Jackson's mom passed away.


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Their offensive line coach, Bob Wylie, is grossly overweight. Like, dangerously close to having his own TLC series.


do we know if he is doing lines of blow at his desk and does he have an out of state escort on retainer?


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Tad Queasy wrote:
The first episode was OK.

Baker Mayfield didn't know Bob Evans was a chain restaurant.

Jarvis Landry gave an impassioned speech to the WRs about how a losing attitude is contagious and he doesn't want that here. It seemed genuine, but the most of the other WRs just sat there slouched in their chairs like slugs.

Of the four seasons I have seen -- Falcons, Texans, Rams, Buccaneers, -- the Browns, based on this one episode, seem like the least professionally run which I guess isn't a surprise given their lack of success. Their offensive line coach, Bob Wylie, is grossly overweight. Like, dangerously close to having his own TLC series.

Josh Gordon sent Hue Jackson a nice text after Jackson's mom passed away.


Landry and those one handed catches, was impressive. Hue Jackson needs to cut out eh big timing of his own coaches. His little "my chair" speech is just going to have coaches talking behind his back. That aside, it was quite the tear jerker with all the deaths in his close family. I like Hue a lot....hope they do well.

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denisdman wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
The first episode was OK.

Baker Mayfield didn't know Bob Evans was a chain restaurant.

Jarvis Landry gave an impassioned speech to the WRs about how a losing attitude is contagious and he doesn't want that here. It seemed genuine, but the most of the other WRs just sat there slouched in their chairs like slugs.

Of the four seasons I have seen -- Falcons, Texans, Rams, Buccaneers, -- the Browns, based on this one episode, seem like the least professionally run which I guess isn't a surprise given their lack of success. Their offensive line coach, Bob Wylie, is grossly overweight. Like, dangerously close to having his own TLC series.

Josh Gordon sent Hue Jackson a nice text after Jackson's mom passed away.


Landry and those one handed catches, was impressive. Hue Jackson needs to cut out eh big timing of his own coaches. His little "my chair" speech is just going to have coaches talking behind his back. That aside, it was quite the tear jerker with all the deaths in his close family. I like Hue a lot....hope they do well.


Yeah, those one-handed catches are unreal. Does he have massive hands, like Alshon Jeffrey, or does he just have a knack for making those types of catches?

I understood Hue's point about how you have to take more into consideration when making decisions as a head coach because you're responsible for much more than a coordinator, having to look at the bigger picture, etc., but I agree that the "My Chair" thing didn't come off well. It really seemed to rub Todd Haley the wrong way.


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Exactly. Now Haley is supposed to be a salty guy, but you could see the disappointment in the coaches' faces at Hue's comment. They aren't going to challenge him again with honest opinions because he made it clear this is his train. He just told his guys to be yes men.

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Exactly. Now Haley is supposed to be a salty guy, but you could see the disappointment in the coaches' faces at Hue's comment. They aren't going to challenge him again with honest opinions because he made it clear this is his train. He just told his guys to be yes men.



You'd think a guy who was 0-16 last year would be open to suggestions.

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Jackson is an atrocious coach. He demands nothing from his players, he has zero discipline and is for some reason involved in personnel decisions. The Browns record was worse than their play because of all the terrible, self-inflicted penalties they would commit. They would have easily beaten Green Bay had they not had personal foul after personal foul on 3rd down plays. He came from Cinci so its no surprise that he has a team full of bad character guys and almost views that as some sort of accomplishment. I have no idea why they still employ him. I think their dumbass owner buys his bullshit or something.

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Exactly. Now Haley is supposed to be a salty guy, but you could see the disappointment in the coaches' faces at Hue's comment. They aren't going to challenge him again with honest opinions because he made it clear this is his train. He just told his guys to be yes men.


Yep. Jackson said "We're gonna do it my way". Haley is sitting there and you can tell he was thinking "You've been 1-31 doing it your way". :lol:

That being said, Haley sucked as a head coach in KC. And he's always been regarded as an ass hat. Yeah, he had good offences as the Steelers OC. But he's had a HOF WR, QB and RB for the last 3 years. Some would say that offense should have been better then it was and it was good.

I felt for Jackson having his brother and mom go in a 2 week span. I gotta little choked up when he finally broke down. He was trying to be a tough guy about it for a while. Sucks that there are cameras there. I wouldn't have allowed that to be aired if it were me. But I guess he was cool with it. Cuz I heard teams have final say over what gets on the air.


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You watch these things and realize that the 20 hour work days these coaches put in are due mainly to their lack of intelligence and need to be seen as hard workers.

They constantly speak in clichés, as if that motivates players.

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You watch these things and realize that the 20 hour work days these coaches put in are due mainly to their lack of intelligence and need to be seen as hard workers.

They constantly speak in clichés, as if that motivates players.

I had to laugh out loud in the first few minutes when ol' Hue thought jumping in a fucking lake would turn the franchise around. :lol: What a clown

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You watch these things and realize that the 20 hour work days these coaches put in are due mainly to their lack of intelligence and need to be seen as hard workers.

They constantly speak in clichés, as if that motivates players.

I had to laugh out loud in the first few minutes when ol' Hue thought jumping in a fucking lake would turn the franchise around. :lol: What a clown


I really despise Gregg Williams as well. Ain't a chance in the world he had "7 other jobs" he could have taken other than the browns, at least not on the dc level.

The inside look HK provides increases my like for players and disdain for NFL coaches

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good dolphin wrote:
You watch these things and realize that the 20 hour work days these coaches put in are due mainly to their lack of intelligence and need to be seen as hard workers.

They constantly speak in clichés, as if that motivates players.

I had to laugh out loud in the first few minutes when ol' Hue thought jumping in a fucking lake would turn the franchise around. :lol: What a clown


I really despise Gregg Williams as well. Ain't a chance in the world he had "7 other jobs" he could have taken other than the browns, at least not on the dc level.

The inside look HK provides increases my like for players and disdain for NFL coaches


Gregg Williams is a shitty person. If you're essentially trying to end careers, I'm not sure you deserve to keep yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Wil ... ty_scandal

On March 2, 2012, it was revealed that during Williams' tenure, the Saints ran an illegal "bounty fund" which paid players for causing injuries to opponents that would result in those players leaving the game. The NFL found that Williams and as many as 27 Saints defensive players were involved in the scheme.[17] An unidentified Saints player first alerted the NFL to the scheme in the 2010 offseason, but the investigation stalled until the NFL found irrefutable evidence of a bounty system just before the 2011–12 playoffs.[18]

A league investigation revealed that Williams began the bounty system soon after he arrived in New Orleans, after Payton charged him to make the Saints' defense "nasty." Players usually earned $1,000 for "cart-offs" and $1,500 for "knockouts" during the regular season (though payments were known to triple during the playoffs), though they were encouraged to put their winnings back into the pot in order to raise the stakes as the season went on. The investigation also found that Payton tried to cover up the scheme, and that linebackers coach Joe Vitt, whom Payton had assigned to monitor Williams (the two reportedly did not get along), knew about the broad lines of the scheme and did nothing.[18][19][20]

Soon after the investigation came to light, several former players and coaches with the Bills and Redskins claimed that Williams operated similar systems while he was with them.[21][22] Former NFL coach and current NBC Sports analyst Tony Dungy said that he was certain Williams operated a similar system with the Oilers/Titans as well.[23] However, several players, coaches and team executives who were with Williams in Houston/Tennessee, Buffalo and Washington have denied that Williams ever ran a bounty system.[24][25][26][27]

Williams was summoned to NFL headquarters after the investigation concluded in mid-February. He initially denied any involvement, but recanted and admitted everything in a meeting with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.[19] He issued a statement apologizing for his role, saying that he had known it was wrong from the start.[17] On March 21, 2012, the NFL suspended Williams indefinitely for "conduct detrimental" to the league, effective that day. In a statement, the NFL said that its investigation had found that Williams not only administered the bounty program and occasionally contributed some of his own money to the bounty pool, but lied to league investigators about his role. Consequently, the suspension would run until the end of the 2012 season at the earliest. When Williams applied for reinstatement, Goodell considered how much Williams cooperated with the NFL in its continuing investigation; Goodell also expected Williams to participate in league efforts to eliminate bounty systems altogether.[20] The NFL is still investigating allegations that Williams ran a bounty program in Washington.[28]

Williams apologized again after he learned of his punishment, and said he hoped to return to coaching in the future.[29] However, Fisher said that neither he nor the Rams knew about the bounty program, and he would have not have hired Williams had he known that Williams might be facing a year's suspension.[30]

On April 5, documentary filmmaker Sean Pamphilon released audio of a meeting Williams held with his defense before their 2012 divisional playoff game against the San Francisco 49ers. In a profanity-laced speech, Williams instructed his defense to target several 49ers players. He ordered his men to try to knock out running back Kendall Hunter, even if it meant hitting him out of bounds. He specifically directed them to try to tear wide receiver Michael Crabtree's ACL, and to go after wide receiver Kyle Williams specifically because he had a history of concussions. Pamphilon, who was doing a documentary on the media's effect on football from Pee-Wee all the way to the NFL, released the audio to Yahoo! Sports because he was sickened by what he heard.[31]

On December 12, the Associated Press reported that, according to a transcript of the bounty appeal hearing, Williams had testified that he had wanted to shut down the system after the league began investigating, but was overruled by Saints linebackers coach Joe Vitt.[32] Vitt, however, denied the claims.[33]


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You watch these things and realize that the 20 hour work days these coaches put in are due mainly to their lack of intelligence and need to be seen as hard workers.

They constantly speak in clichés, as if that motivates players.

I had to laugh out loud in the first few minutes when ol' Hue thought jumping in a fucking lake would turn the franchise around. :lol: What a clown


I really despise Gregg Williams as well. Ain't a chance in the world he had "7 other jobs" he could have taken other than the browns, at least not on the dc level.

The inside look HK provides increases my like for players and disdain for NFL coaches


Yeah I thought the 7 other jobs comment was silly. If you really did, you aren't going to the Browns unless he figured the head coach will be fired and replaced by him.

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The passive aggressive bickering amoungst the coaches is literally what I have seen in pop Warner football. Not a single damn player respects or takes any of these coaches seriously.


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Love laughing at a team with Todd Haley and Greg "Kill the head" Williams

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Browns website showing the first episode for free.

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Last night's episode three was pretty good.

Offensive line coach Bob Wylie thinks stretching is pointless. "Did you know, World War I, World War II, all those guys that fought in those wars, they did push-ups, sit-ups, and jumping jacks, climbed rope, and ran. None of this fancy shit. And they won two world wars! … You think they were worried when they were running across Normandy about fucking stretching?"

He also says that is hard to knock down a hippopotamus. Hard to argue.

The Browns have a cute dog that hangs around the office.

Dez Bryant showed up for what I assume is a job interview wearing a "Spiritual Gangster" t-shirt, shorts, and headphones. He also walked around the entire complex glad-handing everyone in what seemed like a not-so-veiled attempt to prove he's a nice guy and not a tool. Does he actually want to play for the Browns or did he just use this as an opportunity to show the rest of the NFL, who has shown no interesting in signing him, how friendly he is?

Brad Paisley's remarkably inspiring visit has to be worth at least 2-3 wins, right?

Gregg Williams is still a jagoff.


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jarvis landry makes me laugh with the "bless him" after everything he does


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Beat the Eagles 5-0 tonight. Thought it was the score to the Indians/Phillies game.

They still shitty.


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Beat the Eagles 5-0 tonight. Thought it was the score to the Indians/Phillies game.

They still shitty.


They are on the come, though. Their defense is getting better, and Myles Garrett is a fucking beast.

Philly had the ball inside the Browns five right before the half, and Foles Cutlered it away.

I also think Baker Mayfield will be starting sooner than later.

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Beat the Eagles 5-0 tonight. Thought it was the score to the Indians/Phillies game.

They still shitty.


They are on the come, though. Their defense is getting better, and Myles Garrett is a fucking beast.

Philly had the ball inside the Browns five right before the half, and Foles Cutlered it away.

I also think Baker Mayfield will be starting sooner than later.


the GM has a solid track record.. the only hurdles left appear to be a shitty coach and terrible meddling owner.


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Whatever happened to that owner being in a mess with his gas station problems?

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1. Behind the scenes for one of the NFL’s most dysfunctional franchises
The Browns are one of the most unstable franchises in the league. They have churned through head coaches, general managers, starting quarterbacks, and have an owner who has his share of non-football problems.

Head coach Hue Jackson is their attempt to establish something even remotely along the lines of stability and synergy — and he’s posted a 1-31 record over the past two seasons. Many thought he would be fired this past offseason, but the Browns are taking one last grasp at keeping this crew together before they hit the big red button, which presumably is prominently featured on Jimmy Haslam’s desk with the words “FIRE COACH” on it.

Jackson is an interesting character himself, and seeing him either rise to the occasion in what is a make-or-break year or completely fall apart would make for good viewing.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

fuck!

it's funny the way people come up with funny ways to describe the Browns futilities.

I've listened to their postgame talkshow after a loss, and it is hilarious the things their media say

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