Yeah, I don't think that offer even gets the negotiating started.

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lol of course it does. This is the NFL. We go through it all the time how covetous teams are of their picks. The money Mack will cost to sign disqualifies half the league.

Right but you seem to be operating under the impression the Raiders want to trade Mack and/or don't have much leverage here. That's not true. They have significantly more leverage than any team contacting them looking to trade for Mack.

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FF what would the offer need to be?

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It would have to start with multiple 1st round picks.

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I agree with Nas. Two firsts and a third next year or something similar. Mack is a DPOY in his absolute prime at age 27. He's among the 3-4 most valuable non-QB's in the NFL.

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No team will give up multiple 1sts for anything other than a quarterback. FF is correct that the Raiders will first have to decide to trade Mack before he can be traded. There's no way an NFL front office is going to make that type of crazy offer that makes the Raiders decision for them. If someone were offering multiple 1sts the deal would already be done. Think about it from a FO perspective, you could have two guys who you are certain will be good starters with decent chances at becoming stars at a combined cost less than what you would be paying Mack.

Dont come at me with bust-rates or risk either. You're not thinking like an NFL GM if you think that way. They expect every one of their highly drafted players to work out. If they thought they were drafting a potential bust they wouldn't take them. Make fun of this attitude all you want, I agree its pretty arrogant, but its the way they are.

So yea, if the Raiders decide to cash Mack it'll probably be something like a 1st round pick +, or something crazy like Odell Beckham where its almost a parallel move.

That qualifier matters a ton.

Im not sure of their cap situation but I could see Washington/Snyder offering something crazy....

I think you understand the severe flaw in the logic of the bolded part.

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It does but a devastating, top tier pass rusher is the 2nd most coveted asset in the league. You're not stealing Mack for a first round pick and a throwaway future pick. There's just no way the Raiders do that.

For reference, this article suggests GB's two 2019 firsts would only be a starting point:

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/st ... 979832002/

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but their guess really is only as good as any other astute observer. They don't have inside knowledge. I side with America. I don't think it would take two firsts. At least, I don't think anyone will offer two firsts.

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No way. Teams are willing to do shit like that but only for QB's. Khalil Mack is 27, you get 2 or 3 years of his prime (provided he doesnt hurt) and then all bets are off. He loses half a step and he could suddenly be average. I have no problem paying Khalil Mack like a QB for this next season, but after that I start to worry. And that's just from a pure money perspective, were not getting into the losing draft picks aspect of it yet.

I think a team decides that they are going to "draft" the right to sign Khalil Mack with a 2019 1st, as opposed to a pass rusher coming out of college that pick would've otherwise been used on, plus a 3rd or something to make their offer stand out to the Raiders.

The Raiders straight up cannot afford Mack at his current demands. If they could I think he'd be signed by now. Their cap situation is totally fucked.

Fans of a team being "comfortable" with what they give up in a proposed trade are the fucking worst. If you are comfortable with it, it's a pretty good sign the trade is unrealistic.

You aren't getting Mack on the cheap, dipshits.

The Raiders problem is more cash-flow related then cap related. Penn renegotiated his contract to give them over 3MM this year. Mack signing an extension would greatly help their cap this season. The problem is funding the guarantees and all. Mark Davis is cash-strapped and doesn't have the Vegas bucks yet.

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What NFL have you been watching where teams just forfeit tons of draft picks for anything other than a QB?

There's no comparable player to Mack to have supposedly been available in the last 10 years so it's a moot point.

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Peppers

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Can't they tag him next year and year after? It's what I would do n let him walk after that.

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he was not on the trade market as a 27 year old.

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Carson Palmer
Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
Albert Haynesworth
Julius Peppers
Marshawn Lynch
Randy Moss

You're off your rocker again.

You’re confusing free agents with trade targets. Of course you don’t have to give up first round picks to sign UFA. Also half that list is wrong and QBs don’t count since my original response was to you saying “anything other than QBs”.

So again, that leaves no one.

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Moss. The Patriots got him for a 4th. Next year he broke the single season TD record.

Denver has paid Von Miller $70m guaranteed the last two years. Von Miller would be a comparable talent to Khalil Mack (Miller was probably better at age 27, but whatever). Broncos record since?

2016: 9-7
2017: 5-11

You calling him the best player available in a decade probably means he's getting more than Von Miller's $70m guaranteed. You dont think that factors in massively to Mack's trade cost?

Right and they got him for a 4th because his age and previous production had lowered his value to that point, making it a terrible comparison to Mack. Mack is in his prime and should be a monster for 5-10 more years. He’s shown zero health problems. Not one guy on your list was available as a trade target at a similar age and stature in the league.

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I can go back LAST SEASON to Jimmy G garnering only a 2nd from the 49ers. The reason the return was so low was because the 49ers had to turn around to sign him to an amount of money that basically eviscerates whatever flexibility they have with the cap from here on out.

Mack is worth more than Jimmy G. Probably twice as much (to say this in relation to a quarterback is an impressive thing to say about Mack), which still doesn't mean 2 1sts. And Mack may cost more money to sign than Jimmy G.

And they won a SB in large part because of him even with a worthless QB. But even still that one sample sample size doesn’t mean anything in relation to this argument.

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He’s worth considerably more than twice as much as a QB who had like 4 career starts at that point. You’re no longer allowed to accuse anyone else here of being off their rocker. Fuck outta here with that comp. it only looks slightly less insane because of hindsight bias of what he did after the trade.

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Right they won a Super Bowl when they had him signed for a pittance. Kinda my point.