Where do you rank Stockton all time when it comes to PG's? I put him #2 behind Magic. I think he was the best pure PG.

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Below Jordan. Above Lebron.

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Isaiah Thomas was better and I'd dare to say much better than Stockton.

Tiny Archibald was also better.

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He's below Magic and possibly Curry, but probably no one else.

Definitely ahead of Isaiah who most people have on the same tier or just below Chris Paul all time.

2017 poll on RealGm had the PG's ranked as follows:

7. Magic
21. Stock
23. Chris Paul
26. Steve Nash
29. Curry
35. Payton
37. Kidd
39. Isaiah
46. Cousy

That was after last season. I'd say Curry has moved up past Paul, nash and possibly Stockton after the 2017-18 season.

I always thought Isaiah was higher, but apparently advanced stats are not too kind to Isaiah compared to the other great PGs.

Personally, not being a stats guy, I would have Isaiah behind only Magic, Curry and Stockton.

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Thomas was better. Archibald? Hurt and juiced his stats playing with some terrible teams. Not sure I'd go that far.

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When it comes to great PGs, part of the description is that most of the job is not glamorous. Stockton is definitely one of the best if not the best in all the non-glamorous duties. He also gets a lot of flack for being dirty. Show me an undersized player who wasn't. I don't know who was better, dirty Isaiah or dirty Stockton.

I think I'd put Payton at 4. As an aside, Payton would put Stockton at 2. Right behind himself at #1

He was no doubt better. Stockton played a lot longer so his numbers are more inflated but there was never a time that Stockton dominated his position. Isaiah was a top 5 player in the league for about a 3 to 4 year stretch. Stockton was never top 5. Never a top 10 player either.

Before his knees went bad Tim Hardaway was probably better also. People forget how good Pre Injury Tim Hardaway happened to be. This coming from a guy that was partial to Rockin Rod Strickland at the time.

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His numbers are inflated? His career averages are better and they declined because he played 16 seasons. Take Stockton's 5 best seasons and any of those guys 5 best seasons and Stockton's numbers will be better. He wasn't the primary option either.

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I admit that I hate on Isiah a little bit for making young Nas cry multiple times but I still think Stockton was a better overall player.

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I doubt if any of Stockton's best seasons compare with Isaiah's 2nd season in the league. Stockton never avg more than 18 a game if memory serves me correct. I will look at the numbers.

He also was nowhere near the winner Isaiah happened to be. He was never the best player on his own team. Isaiah was always the best player on his own team and he had to beat 2 of the best teams in history to win a championship.

Stockton only made the Finals once the West was in decline. Prior to that they'd never made it past the 2nd Round. This while playing with a guy that MANY regarded as the best PF in history.

Isaiah was decidedly better. There was about a 4 year stretch where Isaiah was the equal of Magic Johnson.

Isaiah's worse statistical season in the league (his last) his scoring avg still exceeded Stockton's while still providing a respectful 7 assists per game.

Isaiah once avg 21 and 14 a game for an entire season.


He sacrificed stats to win games. Best 6 foot and under player ever.

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Stockton's 5 best seasons he averaged 17 points, 14 assists, 3 steals, 53% FG and 35% 3pt.

Isiah's 5 best years he averaged 20 points, 11 assists, 2 steals, .475% FG and 25%3pt.

Other than scoring Stockton's stats are significantly better. Isiah didn't win a title those 5 years either.

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One of those years Isaiah Lost to Boston in one of the Flukiest series you will ever want to see. A great Boston team by the way. The next year (also a stat stuffing season) they lost to the Lakers in the high ankle sprain game.


Do you want me to pull Stockton's stats the two years they made the Finals? They weren't all that hot. Utah got better when Stockton declined as a player. Bad Boy Pistons ended when Isaiah ended. Big difference.


Career numbers 13 and 10 for Stockton versus 19 and 9 for Isaiah.

Isaiah's numbers were suppressed because of the style of play and the guards that he had to play with.

Still had better numbers plus he was much more impactful as a player. He won 2 rings probably should have had four and never played with anyone as good as Malone. He also had to beat 2 of the best teams in history to win a title.

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Where would you rank Stockton LTG? Third behind Isiah?

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ESPN did one too. They had Curry top 5 and put Nash ahead of Kidd. Oscar Robertson was a PG too.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nb ... uards-ever

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I'd rank him between 3 & 5, but if I had to pick a team, he'd be maybe 7,8.

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He'd be in that 5 -10 range for me at best.

He never gets called on his lack of postseason success. Sure they made the Finals but he was about 14 years in at that point. Wasn't an elite point at the time either. Plus the West was in decline. Easier road to the Finals

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Guards i'd place over Stockton.
Magic
Zeke
Paul
Nash
Curry
Hardaway
Tiny Archibald.

Just for Starters.

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Tied for 4th with Chris Paul. Behind Magic, Oscar, and Steph

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I can't speak on Tiny but Nash definitely isn't better and neither is Curry or Hardaway. You're putting too much stock in flash and scoring. Curry couldn't guard a chair if his life depended on it.

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That ESPN list was probably the first time I can remember seeing Oscar listed as a PG. I would also put hin ahead of Stockton. Curry may not be top 10.

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Stockton too. Malone was the better player so he took most of the blame but Stockton wasn't separating himself either.

With Isaiah you never had to worry about that. He was a great player that played like a great player in big games. Except for that one Boston game.

The main argument for Stockton pertains to years of service. His career avg. are surely closer to those of Mark Jackson if i had to venture a guess.

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