Fuck it....the Kool-Aid tastes delicious this year.
BEARSSSSSSSSSSS!

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I feel pretty confident he's not getting in.

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How many 2 time Super Bowl MVP quarterbacks don't make it? Are you willing to wager on it?

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2 Super Bowl MVP’s aren’t going to hurt his cause either.



Anyone that doesn’t think Little Brother and Big Ben are going into the Hall are lying to win an argument on the internet, or don’t understand as much as they claim to.

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As for the game I have no idea what to expect because Nagy and co. went out of their way not to reveal a whole lot.


On the defensive side for the Bears there’s no way to know how Mack will look after missing an entire offseason and he’s clearly (along with Roquan I suppose) going to have a lot to do with success or failure on that side of the ball.


I hope I’m wrong, of course, but it’s hard to see the Bears being ready to win this game against Rodgers. If all goes well with health and so on I think the 2nd game is going to be much more competitive tho. But this one may be a wash for us.


Packers 24
Bears 14

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Nobody is questioning big brother. As for the rest of your post, I'd relax on declarative statements giving your record here.

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Even if he isn't 100% in tune with the playbook the Packers are compelled to treat him as if he is and that opens up the rest of the Bears front 7 with really favorable matchups. Mack is the type of player that you underestimate at your own (imminent) peril.

Now the fact that the Packers should respect Mack is different than saying that they will. McCarthy is a known idiot. Would anyone be shocked if he is going into this weeks preparation saying "We have our gameplan and Mack changes nothing!"? Like, the plays they have drawn up where Lance Kendricks or Jimmy Graham were once responsible for solo blocking Sam Acho aren't tossed out because what was once a middling starter has been replaced with Khalil Mack. Rodgers isn't a dummy, he can audible out of certain doom if he needs to, but only so much can be done once personnel is set. If McCarthy sends 4 WR and Jimmy Graham out there Rodgers cannot audible a 6th offensive linemen or blocking TE from the sideline once the huddle breaks. Forcing them to call timeouts to escape these situations puts the Bears at an overall strategic advantage.

Now here comes the huge unknown that I am not seeing talked about almost anywhere, and that is nobody has any idea what kind of gameday coach Nagy is. There's a real fine line between when you should stick to the gameplan or just throw everything out. There's clock management and broad strategic decision making (when to go for it, whether to run ball control to rest the defense, challenges etc) that you really cant evaluate until you see him in action. McCarthy makes a lot of stupid gameday decisions and if Nagy can capitalize on them that's big a win.

Eli And Ben will get in. Their SB wins alone will do it. But more food for thought on it..


Eli and Ben are both top 10 all time in passing TD's.
Both are top 10 in all time passing yards.
And Big Ben is in the top 10 all time for passer rating.


And they both helped lead teams to 2 SB's a piece, Eli was the MVP in both of his. But, you know, you're confident they won't get in.

lmao





Oh I wouldn't start protesting too much here Mr. 'Kiwi Leonard has been better head to head against Kevin Durant'


Oof

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A lot of people have mentioned this or eluded to it. I brought this up in the Bears expectations thread, but I've heard plenty of people on the radio jawing about it as well. Other posters here have brought it up too.

And I agree, its a big unknown.

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He can audible into one of those quick slants that Packers have killed the Bears with for the last 20 years or so

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Go back and read this thread. I never said Ben wouldn't get in, dumbass. If you think him and Eli had the same careers you're even more helpless than I thought. and LOL at you mentioning passing counting stats like it matters. I guess you think Stafford is a HOFer too.

I'm not gonna rehash the Kawhi/Durant thing in a NFL thread. He outplayed Durant in his last healthy season.

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Packers will clearly be favored but I think that the Packers are headed for an over-all bad season for themselves and the BEars are on the upswing. I can see the Bears splitting with GB this season and possibly getting in contention for a wild-card slot optimally.

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Yeah, I just noticed the 30 year stipulation part, my bad. I've been in numerous discussions about Big Ben not getting in (not on this board) and thought based on the comments on the 2nd page of this thread that's what you were getting at.





Interesting observation. Their numbers are very similar, and they both have 2 SB wins under their belt, but ok.





Look, I get that you're trying to put an exclamation point on your argument in an effort to have some sort of 'mic drop' moment but.. this is a really poor effort.

Stafford isn't even top 25 numbers wise in those categories. He also doesn't have 2 SB wins to go along with those numbers. So to answer your melodramatic rhetorical question.. no, FavreFan, I do not think Stafford is quite HoF material atm.


So now that we've established that you aren't taking Big Ben out of the Hof, lets clarify a couple of things..

1. Do you think Big Ben is getting in?

If the answer is yes..

2. In what world do you put Big Ben in and leave Eli out? Especially when they both have similar career numbers, an equal amount of SB wins, and Eli actually won the MVP award in both his appearances.


I'd like to see you give some sort of breakdown to justify this.

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Just for boredom sake Ben went to more Super Bowls, played in and won more playoff games and I really would be surprised Ben did not have bigger stats.

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A case can be made that Eli doesn't deserve to be in the HOF but he almost certainly will go into the HOF with what he did, who his family is, and where he did it.

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Oh, I know what the arguments are going to be but..


This particular point brings FF back to the whole 'team accomplishment' argument tho, which I do believe he made.


This makes Eli's SB MVP's more important as they are an individual accolade that Big Ben doesn't have.


As for their stats, career wise they are close in numbers outside of QB rating which Big Ben is top 10 all time in. Eli is not even top 20 there if im not mistaken.

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I'm at the point where I'd like to hear/read it. Eli has the all time numbers and a couple of rings to go along with them that justify him going in on their own merit even taking away his last name and where he played.

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He also dominates the rape category. Bonafide HOF'er

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For what its worth, I'm not arguing that Eli is better all time than Big Ben or vice versa. Before that side tangent takes off lol

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He was never a dominant player. Even in his best years, he wasn't a top 5 quarterback outside of 2014 and 2015. He only had significantly more than 250 yards a game in 3/14 seasons. In his time period, he is clearly at least 6th on the list of best players at his position, and that doesn't include guys like Rivers or Big Ben or Matt Ryan.

So, a legitimate argument could be made that of the quarterbacks he overlapped with for a significant amount of time, he was the 9th best of them.

That means he is clearly being put in because of the two rings he won, and I think a lot of it had to do with his name and where he did. However, everyone who has won two Super Bowls as a quarterback, besides Jim Plunkett have made the HOF or will make the HOF so I can't say he didn't earn it based on that.

If you don't treat two Super Bowl wins as something that trumps most other stats then you can at least make a case that the 9th best quarterback in his era doesn't get in.

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He was consistently in the top-10 every year he played I'd argue (you seem to at least echo this sentiment). So, I don't completely disagree with what you're saying.





While I agree that this is the deciding factor (along with him winning MVP in both those games).. I'd argue that being top-10 all time (and climbing) in a few of the major passing categories is part of it now too. Rivers and Big Ben entered the league around the same time as Eli and Eli has better all time numbers in a few categories or is right there with the both of them. That also shows a pretty remarkable consistency at performing the job at a high level over a period of time (for all of them).





I don't agree with this entirely based on my previous paragraph. I'd even argue that based on that previous paragraph he may be ranked higher than 9th in his era. I do however acknowledge the importance of rings and MVP's if you have them. And Eli does.

But numbers can, do, and should in some cases get you in too (and Eli's all time numbers are pretty good)..


Rivers is another one worth arguing for at this point purely based off the numbers being that he is top 10 all time in yards, TD's, and passer rating. But he doesn't have the rings to solidify it. At least not '1st ballot'. But I think theres an argument here for him.

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The big problem with numbers is that he plays in an era where consistently league average quarterbacks put up some numbers better than many hall of fame quarterbacks. Jay Cutler is 27th all time in passing yards. Ryan Fitzpatrick is 62nd which is still more than at least 6 HOF quarterbacks.

For players who are done, Kerry Collins is 17th and he didn't even get to play in the era where it was really easy to pass for a lot of yards.

Though, Eli being as high as he is on the lists probably helps but it would seem as if we will be seeing an average of about 1 QB a year make the HOF from 2000+ given how many are putting up those numbers. There is even a case to be made for a guy like Carson Palmer to make it, and Matt Stafford is probably on a HOF track too if he plays long enough. That doesn't even get into the Joe Flacco issue.

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Packers eek out a close one week 1.

Sitting people out vets who've been in a system for ages like Pats, Steelers, Packers etc. makes sense. Bears offense gonna be interesting to see without any preseason action given.

The Bears offense had over a thousand reps against a top 5 defense. They should be fine. If the Bears win it will be a blowout. I don't trust Bears kicking in a close game.

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Plunkett only has one MVP, but he led offenses that went out to actually perform well in the games. Honestly, I'd have him in before Eli.

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I've never been an Eli fan but those Super Bowl games will make him a first ballot HoFer.

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I'll wager he's not first ballot.

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I wouldn't put money on that.

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He's had exactly one great play as a pro that I can remember. And the evasion was better than the throw. NYC guarantees him admission, just like in baseball with Phil Rizzuto. Which cheapens it all.

And in full disclosure, I loved him at Old Miss.

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