Koufax never had to face the mid-2000s Cubs though.

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Kershaw has not pitched 7 times in World Series. Not sure if NLDS justifies the comparison. That's a tough one. The pressure in a season ending series would seem more meaningful.

Another pitcher on par or better than Koufax in that era? RR nailed the only one I could think of in Gibson. There has to be someone else that even for a year or two was as good as those two but I cannot think of any. Drysdale maybe, but same team and that might be on name recognition alone.

Juan Marichal might want to have some speaks with you also especially about years 1965 and 1966.

Pedro was the best I've seen..those guys were before my time.

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You can have Pedro....I'm taking Randy Johnson.

Koufax > Kershaw....nothing to debate here.

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Just look at Koufax's last six seasons.
Absolutely incredible! Once he settled down he was the best.

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Very flawed Stat Sandy's post season was THE WORLD SERIES plus he couldn't pitch on Yom Kipper also a quality start was more than 6 innings, Plus 90% of you never saw Koufax pitch

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Agree x 2

57 years ago on tis date https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN196109200.shtml

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Only you saw Babe Ruth play but I still know that he was the greatest of all time.

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My Dad saw Ruth play and played against Buck Weaver....and he told me Mays was better all round better player than Ruth only saw him against the Cubs,,,,All Star games (There used to be 2 ! )

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But if you adjust for the mound being lowered after Koufax retired and the offensive era Kershaw has had to face, it helps Kershaw's case. What hurts him now is his obvious decline vs Koufax retiring at his peak.

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Koufax and Gibson were the reason they lowered the mound

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Yes, but they still benefitted from it. Gibson’s ERA was a full run higher the following year and way higher after that (though he was past his prime). Koufax retired before they lowered it so we don’t have a comparison.

I’d like to see a comparison adjusting for park factors, average league ERA, etc.

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Not really correct. It was the overall dearth of offense which also resulted in the DH. .301 lead the AL and it had nothing to do with Gibson or Koufax.

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I think Koufax was gone by then? Anyway, it sure helped Gibson. (The lack of offense, that is.)

He still was a run lower than everyone else in 67.

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Amazing thing about Koufax is that he struggled for his first 6 seasons ('55-60) and then absolutely dominated the next six seasons. The last two of those seasons he pitched with a lot of pain and still dominated.

Only seen Kershaw pitch but from reading and hearing about Koufax from my dad, I take Koufax.

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Wow.....just amazing

there were quite a few reasons why it was lowered

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That's a very tough call. What year did your dad see Ruth and how old was he?

I'm guessing your dad was born in the 20s. Ruth retired in 35 at the age of 40.

There's really no footage of prime Ruth.

If you want to use doubles and triples to help indicate speed and athleticism,

Ruth: 506 doubles 136 triples
162 game average 33 and 9

Mays: 523 doubles 140 triples
162 game average 28 and 8

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Well, that's not right. I'm not sure Gibson was in the top 20 in ERA in '67. His big year was 1968. And he wasn't a run better than everyone else. Tiant had a 1.60 ERA in '68. I would compare Gibson's 1968 season to Greinke or Arrieta in 2015.

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Mea culpa.

Sorry, I always mistake the glorious year they won for 68. And you're certainly right about the actual gap, for some reason I've always mistakenly had the one run vs the actual half run difference.

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