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 Post subject: Re: Mitch Blows
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The Word According to Hub was Nagy told him it took Alex Smith half a season to get competent in the offense and 2 years to master it. And Alex Smith was a 7-year veteran at the time.

Solid spin. Let's go with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch Blows
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Mitch looked better when he was thrown into the fire early last year and played on survival instinct. He is clearly over coached and too self conscious right now. But you can't fix a slow release, and that will ultimately be his long term weakness. You can see it on TV, but live in person it's even more obvious. The top quarterbacks pop the ball out in an instant. Mitch winds up like he's tryin to get a whore to cum.

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He winds up because he's gotta step into every throw..weak arm for an NFL QB..no pocket presence and no touch on a deep ball.. Nothin has changed from week one.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Word According to Hub was Nagy told him it took Alex Smith half a season to get competent in the offense and 2 years to master it. And Alex Smith was a 7-year veteran at the time.

Solid spin. Let's go with that.

I'd buy this if Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was showing that he could throw a football with even some accuracy.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Word According to Hub was Nagy told him it took Alex Smith half a season to get competent in the offense and 2 years to master it. And Alex Smith was a 7-year veteran at the time.


Solid spin. Let's go with that.


I'd buy this if Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was showing that he could throw a football with even some accuracy.


He can't throw a football? Bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch Blows
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He can. I've seen him make great throws. But right now he cant.


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He winds up because he's gotta step into every throw..weak arm for an NFL QB..no pocket presence and no touch on a deep ball.. Nothin has changed from week one.

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Matt Waldman currently posting a good amount of play analysis from the game on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/MattWaldman

This play, the sack that led to the missed field goal attempt, is especially illustrative of Mitch's tendency to miss open checkdowns in pressure situations because they're not his first reads: https://twitter.com/MattWaldman/status/ ... 1784192000


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch Blows
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He's bad but has NFL skills. I guess the lack of playing time in college was actually a problem. He will probably improve just in time to get a big contract. It's very disappointing so far. Chase Daniel may get a shot if this team continues to excel in other areas.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch Blows
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I said yesterday that they should play Daniel if they want to win the division this year. They obviously are not going to do that.

I do believe Mitch will climb out of this rut but people need to understand it may not happen this year. Bears have three tough opponents coming up interspersed by the week 5 bye. If they come out 4-2 or better people will still tolerate Mitch but the team does any worse and it'll be a frenzy. I can tell you that he is nowhere near being where he needs to be mentally to win games with his arm. We may be talking years before that happens.


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I said yesterday that they should play Daniel if they want to win the division this year. They obviously are not going to do that.

I do believe Mitch will climb out of this rut but people need to understand it may not happen this year. Bears have three tough opponents coming up interspersed by the week 5 bye. If they come out 4-2 or better people will still tolerate Mitch but the team does any worse and it'll be a frenzy. I can tell you that he is nowhere near being where he needs to be mentally to win games with his arm. We may be talking years before that happens.

That's what we call a bust. You don't get 5 years to learn how to hit open receivers.

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He'll get three years at least but probably no more than four. He'll also have to show some improvement eventually to justify continued faith in him. Right now he can't throw, I expect that will change at least to "he can throw, but not well" over the next 8 weeks.


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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.

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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.


Fallen into their lap? Pace had a lot to do with that. That's like saying if Rodgers hadn't fallen to the Packers they would have sucked the past 10 years.

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End result is they have Khalil Mack and as long as they do they will be competitive in almost every game.


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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.


Fallen into their lap? Pace had a lot to do with that. That's like saying if Rodgers hadn't fallen to the Packers they would have sucked the past 10 years.


Pace worked out the deal but he should have never been on the market to begin with.

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The best thing to happen this year to the team is Mitch gets hurt, Daniel can game manage us deep into the playoffs and possibly a SB.

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The best thing to happen this year to the team is Mitch gets hurt, Daniel can game manage us deep into the playoffs and possibly a SB.


That's probably not far off. As it stands right now the Bears are the team you want to bet against during wild card weekend.


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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.


Fallen into their lap? Pace had a lot to do with that. That's like saying if Rodgers hadn't fallen to the Packers they would have sucked the past 10 years.


Pace worked out the deal but he should have never been on the market to begin with.

And he beat half the league to get him. You don't really think Pace was just negotiating against the Raiders do you?

It's a pretty good sign when all these other teams are assuring their fans they did everything they could to get Mack. He would have fetched substantially more if teams knew he was going to have this kind of start to the season. Right now he's a bargain.

Bears have a Super Bowl defense as long as the core guys stay healthy and they limit losing ancillary players like Amukamara to little 2-4 week things at worst. I do not think the Rams have the offensive line to stop the Bears rush.


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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.


Fallen into their lap? Pace had a lot to do with that. That's like saying if Rodgers hadn't fallen to the Packers they would have sucked the past 10 years.


Pace worked out the deal but he should have never been on the market to begin with.


Pace should get credit for the entire defense. He held the whole thing together bringing back an already strong unit and adding to it with Smith and Mack. And despite his first round failures up until now, his later picks are making an impact- Cohen, Howard, and Jackson as big examples.

But in the end it will always be about Mitch. They probably aren't winning a Super Bowl without a top 10 QB. Mitch needs a lot of work. The lack of three or fours of college playing experience means I will give him more rope than the usual young QB. His inability to see the full field probably comes from lack of experience.

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Philly won it with Foles. Broncos won it with Manning on his absolute last leg and Brock Osweiler starting games. If you can block the opponent's pass rush and they cannot block yours it puts you atan overwhelming competitive advantage in the turnover and time of possession battles. The only way to beat it is for a QB to go unholy god mode, which Jared Goff isn't going to do.


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Philly won it with Foles. Broncos won it with Manning on his absolute last leg and Brock Osweiler starting games. If you can block the opponent's pass rush and they cannot block yours it puts you atan overwhelming competitive advantage in the turnover and time of possession battles. The only way to beat it is for a QB to go unholy god mode, which Jared Goff isn't going to do.


If I recall, Foles was making crazy good throws on their playoff run. I have yet to see Mitch do it for even one game.....

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Correct, but he was really making the plays that were in front for him. Philly was the best team in the NFL in the trenches last year, the Broncos were in 2015, the Bears look like they may have that going now. I'd rather have that going for them than a mediocre roster surrounding an above average QB. What that gets you is the Detroit Lions or San Diego Chargers.


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Nas wrote:
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I’m with Tiny...if Mack hadn’t fallen into their laps, they’d be 0-3 and Pace would be crucified.


Fallen into their lap? Pace had a lot to do with that. That's like saying if Rodgers hadn't fallen to the Packers they would have sucked the past 10 years.


Pace worked out the deal but he should have never been on the market to begin with.


Pace should get credit for the entire defense. He held the whole thing together bringing back an already strong unit and adding to it with Smith and Mack. And despite his first round failures up until now, his later picks are making an impact- Cohen, Howard, and Jackson as big examples.

But in the end it will always be about Mitch. They probably aren't winning a Super Bowl without a top 10 QB. Mitch needs a lot of work. The lack of three or fours of college playing experience means I will give him more rope than the usual young QB. His inability to see the full field probably comes from lack of experience.

Vision is something you have or don't have. The computation of the vision can be developed. The question is, is the computation development going to be based on poor vision? This shouldn't take long to find out.All I know right now it's sheer luck Mitch hasn't been intercepted at least 6 times.


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As of now there are three QB's capable of just willing a Super Bowl and fourth who is probably capable but needs a decent roster around him. Aside from Mahomes I don't see anyone who seems even somewhat likely to join that club in the next 5 years (and even Mahomes' odds aren't that great). People just want a strong passing attack because it's something they've never seen on the Bears before, but I assure you if they had that what Atlanta has it wouldn't put them in any better position to win in the playoffs than this defense would.

You see what happens when these high powered offenses get into the playoffs every year. Even when they come roaring out eventually they got bogged down and teams come back on them. The turnover battle is everything in this league and a great passing game only imperils you on that front.


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As of now there are three QB's capable of just willing a Super Bowl and fourth who is probably capable but needs a decent roster around him. Aside from Mahomes I don't see anyone who seems even somewhat likely to join that club in the next 5 years (and even Mahomes' odds aren't that great). People just want a strong passing attack because it's something they've never seen on the Bears before, but I assure you if they had that what Atlanta has it wouldn't put them in any better position to win in the playoffs than this defense would.

You see what happens when these high powered offenses get into the playoffs every year. Even when they come roaring out eventually they got bogged down and teams come back on them. The turnover battle is everything in this league and a great passing game only imperils you on that front.

It's a great point. How many super bowls has Andy Reid won?


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All I've seen to date is a taller, healthier Rex Grossman....and Rex actually had more touch on the ball. If Mitch is going to be really good, We are years away from seeing it.

As of now...Mitch does blow....but I'd say the coaching and other parts of offense (besides Howard) also blow.

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In terms of being predictive of who is going to be good long term and who isn't they are.

No, they actually are in many instances.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Word According to Hub was Nagy told him it took Alex Smith half a season to get competent in the offense and 2 years to master it. And Alex Smith was a 7-year veteran at the time.

Is that the reason for the over and underthrows that would be Touchdowns if thrown properly?


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I don't know who is worse, the organization kiss ass Tom Thayer, or Mully and Haugh for not calling him out on his bullshit. This morning M&H had Kruetz on, who accurately pointed out that Mitch screwed up that sack in the redzone by not identifying Cohen on the side opposite the overload(would have been a touchdown).

Next up, comes the mouthpiece Thayer who blames an inside stunt that wasn't picked up as the reason for that busted play.


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