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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:12 pm 
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This is some next level (1984, Black Mirror, Hunger Games, Big Brother) authoritarian tyranny sh!t happening in China in which every citizen will be designated a social credit score on how well they behave according the communist Chinese government.. Currently the 'social credit' system is being tested in certain parts of china and by 2020 every one of its 1.4 billion citizens will get a personal digital scorecard.

Individuals and businesses will be scored on various aspects of their conduct -- where you go, what you buy and who you know -- and these scores will be integrated within a comprehensive database that not only links into government information, but also to data collected by private businesses.

In America we have 2 things that I can think of that relate created that put a limit on freedoms and opportunity (ie social credit) are the great focus and tracking in America of credit scores in many parts of society including limiting one in getting a job, loans, and purchasing power over time. Also one with a criminal record even a small thing like getting arrested for "Disorderly Conduct" for protesting inequity can affect your job prospects and potential earning ability for years to come. This is nothing compared to what China is proposing doing to its citizens. I feel some citizens in China will be black listed forever if they don't agree with the communist govt (having a low social credit score) which is an affront to human freedoms.

The data is combined with information collected from individuals’ government records — including medical and educational — along with their financial and internet browsing histories. Overall scores can go up and down in “real time” dependent on the person’s behavior but they can also be affected by people they associate with.

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“If your best friend or your dad says something negative about the government, you’ll lose points too,” the ABC reports.

The mandatory “social credit” system was first announced in 2014 in a bid to reinforce the notion that “keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful,”
Under the system, those deemed to be “top citizens” are rewarded bonus points.

The benefits of being ranked on the higher end of the scale include waived deposits on hotels and rental cars, VIP treatment at airports, discounted loans, priority job applications and fast-tracking to the most prestigious universities.

MODEL CITIZENS
Under the system, those deemed to be “top citizens” are rewarded bonus points.

The benefits of being ranked on the higher end of the scale include waived deposits on hotels and rental cars, VIP treatment at airports, discounted loans, priority job applications and fast-tracking to the most prestigious universities.

Dandan, a young mother and marketing professional, is proud of her high score. If she keeps it up her infant son will be more likely to get into a top school.

“China likes to experiment in this creative way … I think people in every country want a stable and safe society,” she said.

“We need a social credit system. We hope we can help each other, love each other and help everyone to become prosperous.”

BOTTOM OF THE SCALE
But it doesn’t take much to end up on the wrong side of the scale with an estimated 10 million people are already paying the price of a low rating.

Jaywalking, late payments on bills or taxes, buying too much alcohol or speaking out against the government, each cost citizens points.

Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media, according to Business Insider.

Penalties range from losing the right to travel by plane or train, social media account suspensions and being barred from government jobs.

Chinese journalist Liu Hu is one of millions who have already amassed a low social credit rating. Liu Hu was arrested, jailed and fined after he exposed official corruption.

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https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... ec3dc98abf

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/opinions ... index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuqbx8tyW1Y

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This is definitely way too authoritarian to feel good about, but here's someone trying to explain it:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9755 ... 96064.html

And in turn, I think this guy is way too much of an apologist for it, but given how much of the Chinese economy seems to consist of people fucking each other over, maybe they do need to get squeezed harder on white-collar crime. So do we. The people who brought the financial crisis upon us ten years ago should have been shot in the head.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:00 am 
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Curious Hair wrote:
This is definitely way too authoritarian to feel good about, but here's someone trying to explain it:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9755 ... 96064.html

And in turn, I think this guy is way too much of an apologist for it, but given how much of the Chinese economy seems to consist of people fucking each other over, maybe they do need to get squeezed harder on white-collar crime. So do we. The people who brought the financial crisis upon us ten years ago should have been shot in the head.


I agree its too apologetic (more of govt. shill) post about this program. This 'Social Credit' system will lead to total government control over the peoples lives and limit any and all decent (nonconformists) creating a dystopian view of life and society. This is big brother society to the next level and I don't think the end result will be good for the world as a whole. This is probably too serious a topic for this sports forum though!

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/c ... tion=world

Here's another look at it. The thoughtcrime aspect of it really doesn't sit right with me, but the part at the end about how the children of party functionaries will have the best start in life because of their parents' high credit scores, well, doesn't that describe us but with FICO scores? as if Americans aren't locked in a stupid game they have to play to make sure their kids get to have advantages over some other poor bastard's kids?

I liked this:
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Within years, an official Party outline claims, it will “allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step”.

Say what you will about Maoists, but they can really turn a phrase.

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