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All but #6 seems possible. The Chicago and LA media should be able to make enough noise to bring it home for Mack.

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It would be cool if Mahomes falters a bit, Goff and Mack keep kicking ass, and the MVP battle was on in week 14

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It would be cool if Mahomes falters a bit, Goff and Mack keep kicking ass, and the MVP battle was on in week 14


I would love that

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It won't happen unless he breaks Strahan's record and the Bears win the north. Neither of those things are impossible, but I wouldn't call them slam dunks either. If both of things don't happen he gets a pity vote or two from the Chicago and maybe Bay Area media.

Let's say the Bears run away with it. The Lions and Vikings stay bad the Packers just cant keep pace. I guarantee you it won't be that easy but for arguments sake.

Also he does rack up, say, 25 sacks. An inhuman number. What would be considered two seasons of elite production happening at once. Sacks aren't a perfect statistic, but that would be more than twice what last year's DPOY had. The theme of this hypothetical is as follows: Mack must have the type of year that necessitates more recognition than just DPOY. He would have to take what is the conception people have of the most a defensive player can impact season (but I'll get to later how individual games will be critical) and just shatter it. He will have to do what LT did when LT won it, which is change the league forever. The sack record alone, unless he just obliterates it and winds up with 30+ (almost impossible) won't do it.

This is what else he will need to do:
- Have the "Khalil Mack Game", aka the game where does incredible things. Something like scoring twice, or getting 5+ sacks, or forcing 3+ turnovers...or somehow just over taking the game to the where an opposing offense shuts down. Or even some combination of that. Who it comes against doesn't matter necessarily, but he needs a game that puts him squarely in the center of the discussion. Sad to say that while 1 or 2 sacks + turnover every game is unbelievable workmanlike output it is not flashy and it does not command league-wide attention. Not just league-wide attention, but a league wide reckoning.

-He'll have to kill someone. He has some good candidates, Eli is on the docket and Eli has only a couple hits left in him. A career-ender just cements the domination. It's.morbid, but true.

-He can't have a bad week. A week without sack or turnover and it's over. People nationally will move on.

-Score. He is going to need to up his scoring pace. 4 TD just isn't going to cut it. 5 scores minimum. This is going to be difficult because Fangio seldom drops him into coverage and it is suicidal to run screens to Mack's (or against the Bears in general). His opportunities to score are going to be limited so if he gets his hands on the ball he MUST take it to the house.


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He'll have to kill someone. He has some good candidates, Eli is on the docket and Eli has only a couple hits left in him. A career-ender just cements the domination. It's.morbid, but true.


This is a frightening statement, but it still gets me even more excited to see what Mack will do in the coming games.

If he continues at his current pace, he will be the Bears most individually dominant defensive player since Butkus.

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The Bears have been very good at knocking QB's out of games. They have played against 7 QB's in only 4 games. Fitzmagic was riding high as maybe the best QB in the league the first three weeks and he lasted one half.

What they need is a grisly takedown though. An image that sews fear in the hearts of opponents.


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Brady is an intriguing candidate in Week 7.

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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

:lol: what?

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Brady, the consensus GOAT and the most hated-yet-respected player in NFL history, having career meet a violent and gruesome end would be up there in memorable plays ever.


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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

:lol: what?


What do you not understand about it? People still talk about the Joe Theissman injury. If that happened today to the most famous player possibly in the history of the the NFL it would be perhaps the most shared and talked about play of all time. Especially if it ended his career.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

:lol: what?


What do you not understand about it? People still talk about the Joe Theissman injury. If that happened today to the most famous player possibly in the history of the the NFL it would be perhaps the most shared and talked about play of all time. Especially if it ended his career.

He's already had his leg broken in 2008. Yes, ending his career in that way would be memorable. It seems pretty crazy to suggest it shoots straight up to number 1 over plays like the Immaculate Reception, Helmet Catch, The Catch, etc.

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If that kind of hit happened to Brady, the NFL would immediately inact flag football rules for quarterbacks.

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If that kind of hit happened to Brady, the NFL would immediately inact flag football rules for quarterbacks.

That seems... unlikely.

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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

:lol: what?


What do you not understand about it? People still talk about the Joe Theissman injury. If that happened today to the most famous player possibly in the history of the the NFL it would be perhaps the most shared and talked about play of all time. Especially if it ended his career.

He's already had his leg broken in 2008. Yes, ending his career in that way would be memorable. It seems pretty crazy to suggest it shoots straight up to number 1 over plays like the Immaculate Reception, Helmet Catch, The Catch, etc.


That was a knee injury. We are talking about snapping his leg in half. I bet few casual fans remember or have seen video of the Immaculate Reception anymore.

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If that kind of hit happened to Brady, the NFL would immediately inact flag football rules for quarterbacks.

That seems... unlikely.
Changed the rules when Brady got hit low and tore his ACL. Changed the rules with Rodgers broke his collarbone last year.'

If a star QB gets hit and injured, the NFL changes the rules. Precedent has been set and followed.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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If he snaps Brady's leg in half that would definitely help the MVP case. I actually am not sure if there is anything single play he could make that would help him more.


If that happened it would be one of the most memorable plays in the history of the NFL. Possible number 1.

:lol: what?


What do you not understand about it? People still talk about the Joe Theissman injury. If that happened today to the most famous player possibly in the history of the the NFL it would be perhaps the most shared and talked about play of all time. Especially if it ended his career.

He's already had his leg broken in 2008. Yes, ending his career in that way would be memorable. It seems pretty crazy to suggest it shoots straight up to number 1 over plays like the Immaculate Reception, Helmet Catch, The Catch, etc.


That was a knee injury. We are talking about snapping his leg in half. I bet few casual fans remember or have seen video of the Immaculate Reception anymore.

The Immaculate Reception is clearly, by any standard, on the short list of most memorable NFL plays of all time. A QB injuring his leg in a regular season is not going to top it.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If that kind of hit happened to Brady, the NFL would immediately inact flag football rules for quarterbacks.

That seems... unlikely.
Changed the rules when Brady got hit low and tore his ACL. Changed the rules with Rodgers broke his collarbone last year.'

If a star QB gets hit and injured, the NFL changes the rules. Precedent has been set and followed.

You didn't say change the rules. You said they would enact flag football rules. That seems... unlikely.

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Fine. They would change the rules so you literally could not tackle the quarterback.


And 'This Is Us' had a tie in to the Immaculate Reception on a recent episode, which means there are millions of women across the country who have no idea who the Bengals are but who know about the Steelers, Franco Harris, and that play.

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The Immaculate Reception is clearly, by any standard, on the short list of most memorable NFL plays of all time. A QB injuring his leg in a regular season is not going to top it.


Now Tom Brady is just "a QB". If you asked most people under 40 the vast majority would not know what Immaculate Reception is or who was involved.

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[quote="FavreFan"
The Immaculate Reception is clearly, by any standard, on the short list of most memorable NFL plays of all time. A QB injuring his leg in a regular season is not going to top it.


Now Tom Brady is just "a QB". If you asked most people under 40 the vast majority would not know what Immaculate Reception is or who was involved.[/quote]
Any sports fan would know it.

Anyway, this is a pretty dumb argument. Agree to disagree.

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https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-mvp-futures-odds

Tied with Matt Ryan and Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky at +3300 in latest MVP odds.

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The Falcons are 1-3 how the fuck is Matt Ryan in the convo?


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The Falcons are 1-3 how the fuck is Matt Ryan in the convo?

I don't make the odds Bob. You'd have to ask someone who does.

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Well, this conversation took a turn for the hilarious with the MVP by way of injury stuff lol

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I think it is sick to wish some players legs broken. Really sick. :x :x :x :x

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I think its a valid discussion about what a defensive player has to do to get noticed. Mack is having by the best season of anyone in the NFL this year, its honestly not close, but you see those odds for MVP. He's not even being considered outside people who really follow the league.

Maiming somehow on television is definitely a way to get noticed.


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He would likely get suspended. That wouldn't work.

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I dont think the league would suspend a player for just injuring someone as long as the hit wasn't dirty. I mean, they could, but it would look really petty.


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