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If we are starting threads for bums like Fultz let's give someone great a thread.

Kicks off his MVP campaign against the Kings tomorrow night. Gonna be a glorious year

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Shakes started this with Lonzo, but while I have your attention..

Tatum> Mitchell

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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If we are starting threads for bums like Fultz let's give someone great a thread.

Kicks off his MVP campaign against the Kings tomorrow night. Gonna be a glorious year



I might just go with Fultz being a better pro than one trick pony Mitchell.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Shakes started this with Lonzo, but while I have your attention..

Tatum> Mitchell

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No. I've never agreed and still don't. Both guys are gonna be great though.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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If we are starting threads for bums like Fultz let's give someone great a thread.

Kicks off his MVP campaign against the Kings tomorrow night. Gonna be a glorious year


I might just go with Fultz being a better pro than one trick pony Mitchell.

:lol: :lol:

Please do. You have enough bad Mitchell thoughts on record here but this may take the cake.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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If we are starting threads for bums like Fultz let's give someone great a thread.

Kicks off his MVP campaign against the Kings tomorrow night. Gonna be a glorious year


I might just go with Fultz being a better pro than one trick pony Mitchell.

:lol: :lol:

Please do. You have enough bad Mitchell thoughts on record here but this may take the cake.



Mitchell for MVP is the silliest thought currently going. Saying a lot when factor in the foolishness that is WWN's thoughts

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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I wasn't serious about him winning MVP this year. He's definitely going to be an All Star and in the conversation going forward though.

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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Shakes started this with Lonzo, but while I have your attention..

Tatum> Mitchell

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Without question to me. Tatum looks like he'll be one of the next greats and is on the verge of becoming my favorite player. He has that it gene.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Nas wrote:
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Shakes started this with Lonzo, but while I have your attention..

Tatum> Mitchell

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Without question to me. Tatum looks like he'll be one of the next greats and is on the verge of becoming my favorite player. He has that it gene.


Never been a question for me either.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

:lol:


He isn't wrong though. I have him as a slightly better Dion Waiters. Don't know if he has Waiters's off the bounce game.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

:lol:


Look it up. It's a good comp. High volume scorer and less than 4 boards and assists. Not really that special of a prototype. Ain't my fault you get super infatuated with small sample sizes.

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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

:lol:


He isn't wrong though. I have him as a slightly better Dion Waiters. Don't know if he has Waiters's off the bounce game.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


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let's give someone great a thread.



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Kicks off his MVP campaign against the Kings tomorrow night.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

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Look it up. It's a good comp. High volume scorer and less than 4 boards and assists. Not really that special of a prototype. Ain't my fault you get super infatuated with small sample sizes.

It's a bad comp. You're making a pretty bad assumption that Mitchell won't improve from his rookie season. Thats your first problem. Second, the comp doesn't even work then - because Mitchell had more RPG, APG, and SPG in his rookie year than Ben Gordon ever had even in his best seasons.

You have Mitchell as the next Ben Gordon. LTG has him as Dion Waiters. I don't really have a comp for him because I consider him to be the first Donovan Mitchell, but I will comfortably say that he will make multiple All Star games. We will see who ends up being right.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

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that's a hell of a #13 pick. would be a key guy on a championship caliber team.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.

I have faith that he will improve the ancillary parts of his game. He showed a lot of effort on the defensive end last year and by all accounts he has a great work ethic and is a great teammate. Seems like the type of guy who will succeed.

The comp to Dion Waiters and Ben Gordon is flat out ridiculous.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

It's ridiculously stupid and assumes he will not only not improve, but actually get worse as his career progresses.

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that's a hell of a #13 pick. would be a key guy on a championship caliber team.

This guy gets it. Thank god someone who knows hoops finally jumped in here with me.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

Because what he did last year as a rookie (especially in the playoffs) was arguably more impressive than anything Gordon or Waiters have ever done. And because (as FF said) it strikes me as hasty to not just fear but outright conclude that he's doomed to forever repeat his rookie year production.


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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

:lol:


Look it up. It's a good comp. High volume scorer and less than 4 boards and assists. Not really that special of a prototype. Ain't my fault you get super infatuated with small sample sizes.


Yep. He is Ronald "Flip" Murray with more hype and a slightly larger sample size. FF is infatuated with him because he is trying to move on from the Lonzo debacle and his miscalculation involving Lauri. Mitchell is cool. Probably will make an All Star team or two. Top 10 guy or even top 15 I don't see in his future. He is a one dimensional scorer. Doesn't impact the game in any other meaningful way. In order to be dynamic with his game you'd have to drop 25 or better a game. He isn't the guy for that.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

Because what he did last year as a rookie (especially in the playoffs) was arguably more impressive than anything Gordon or Waiters have ever done. And because (as FF said) it strikes me as hasty to not just fear but outright conclude that he's doomed to forever repeat his rookie year production.


Ben Gordon's series against Boston was more impressive than what Mitchell did against OKC. Mitchell was extremely pedestrian against Houston and sort of got exposed as a guy that struggles to get his own look. Rubio is helping to make him.

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I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

Because what he did last year as a rookie (especially in the playoffs) was arguably more impressive than anything Gordon or Waiters have ever done. And because (as FF said) it strikes me as hasty to not just fear but outright conclude that he's doomed to forever repeat his rookie year production.


Ben Gordon's series against Boston was more impressive than what Mitchell did against OKC. Mitchell was extremely pedestrian against Houston and sort of got exposed as a guy that struggles to get his own look. Rubio is helping to make him.


One of the best series I've seen.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
I like Mitchell and wanted him to win Rookie of the Year. That being said, while I certainly wouldn't go as far as vegan and ltg, I do think there's good reason to be concerned about him unless he's able to improve the other facets of his game. The honeymoon period is a lot shorter for high volume scoring guards than it was 10-15 years ago.


What's so extreme about saying he's probably a better Ben Gordon?

Because what he did last year as a rookie (especially in the playoffs) was arguably more impressive than anything Gordon or Waiters have ever done. And because (as FF said) it strikes me as hasty to not just fear but outright conclude that he's doomed to forever repeat his rookie year production.


Ben Gordon's series against Boston was more impressive than what Mitchell did against OKC. Mitchell was extremely pedestrian against Houston and sort of got exposed as a guy that struggles to get his own look. Rubio is helping to make him.

:lol:

You're still mad he owned your Thunder. It's all good.

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Undersized scoring two guards never make it big. The only ones I can think of in recent memory are Wade and Iverson. Mitchell is probably gonna be a better Ben Gordon. Meh

:lol:


Look it up. It's a good comp. High volume scorer and less than 4 boards and assists. Not really that special of a prototype. Ain't my fault you get super infatuated with small sample sizes.


Yep. He is Ronald "Flip" Murray with more hype and a slightly larger sample size. FF is infatuated with him because he is trying to move on from the Lonzo debacle and his miscalculation involving Lauri. Mitchell is cool. Probably will make an All Star team or two. Top 10 guy or even top 15 I don't see in his future. He is a one dimensional scorer. Doesn't impact the game in any other meaningful way. In order to be dynamic with his game you'd have to drop 25 or better a game. He isn't the guy for that.

You're all over the place here. Is he Flip Murray/Dion Waiters or is he a future All Star? Can't have it both ways, amigo.

I don't know what your Lonzo and Lauri comment means. I've said since the first week of last regular season I think both will be good players and nothing I saw from them all rookie year changes that.

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 Post subject: Re: Donovan Mitchell
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Mitchell is more likely to be Allen Iverson than Ben Gordon

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