A better Ben Gordon in his best years is an All Star and one of the best guards in the league. Sounds like we are on the same page my friend.

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Not one of the best in the league.

Didn't you say Donovan was a MVP candidate

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It's time my friends

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Why not? This is why I said it's vague. A better Ben Gordon than the one in his best year is an awesome player unless you mean incrementally better to the point where they are basically the same player.

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Yeah I think he is next year or maybe his 4th year. I think his ceiling this year is probably like 5th or 6th in voting if the Jazz are as good as I think they can be.

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Very rough start for my guy. He'll bounce back.

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Simmons is very good for the reasons that i think Mitchell isn't. Simmons can Simply impact the game in ways in that Mitchell cannot. He is a better defender, passer, and rebounder plus he is 8-9 inches taller. Better ball handler too. Simmons has a skill set that only one to two guys (all time greats) have ever had.

That is not the case with Mitchell. He does nothing exceptionally well and truth be told doesn't have a discernible skill. He attacks and finishes well and plays in a where he will "get his touches".


For the record Devin Booker will be a better pro than him. No doubt about it.

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Booker might be better. I think he's going to be really good too. Mitchell is a better two way player obviously.

You're just wrong on Mitchell being one dimensional. He's a good defender, smart player/passer, and just solid overall player in addition to his scoring. His driving and finishing ability is elite. His handling needs some work but is overall above average.

But again, we are just rehashing the same old arguments and nobody is changing the others mind. We'll see what happens this season. I think he's going to be an All Star.

You ducked the Simmons question. The point is someone can be great as a rookie and have potential to be great and still have a bad playoff series against s better opponent as a rookie. And Houston was way better than aboston without Kyrie and Hayward last year.

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I'm not basing my opinion of him on the Houston series. I'm countering the belief that he played great or well in the playoffs. He had one great series and one mediocre/bad series.


As i keep stating and you keep ducking. You know special players when you first see them. If you got to wait 3-4 years in the hope that they will be special then they probably aren't.

I knew Tatum was that dude when I saw him as a Soph in high school. Wrote about it on this board and the now deposed bigfan proceeded to tell me i didn't know what i was talking about as Thon fucking Maker was better. This was 4 years ago and i never wavered. Same with guys like Irving. saw him in high school and knew it.

When you have to wait and see then chances are it ain't to be.

As far as Simmons goes i'm not basing my assessment of him on one playoff series. i'm basing it on his skill set which is vastly superior than Mitchell's.

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Is this a joke? Mitchell averaged 20 ppg, lifted a team to the playoffs in the West with Gobert missing 1/3rd of the season, beat the #3 Seed Thunder in 6 games while playing like a superstar, and he did this all while a rookie. And you think we have to wait 3-4 years to see if what he is currently doing is special? Went toe to toe with Simmons for ROY and MANY think he should have won. I think it's fair to say I'm overrating him but when you go the other way and say we need to wait 3-4 years, compare him to guys like Waiters, etc, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Feels like you're just trying to be over the top in disagreeing

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Let me ask you this one thing. What is Mitchell currently great at?

You keep referencing Simmons and why i think he will be great. Ok. I can name 2 things (passing and ball handling) that he is great at right now. probably can add a 3rd defending in there too. Not will or hopefully will be great at. He is great at it right now.

What is Mitchell currently great at?

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Is this a joke? Have you checked their record when Gobert was out because i have and posted it last year. With Gobert out they were 18-29. Mitchell wasn't lifting them anywhere.

You keep laughing at the Ben Gordon comp. Gordon avg 15 a game as a rookie and played a pivotal role in "lifting" the Bulls to the playoffs 15 years ago. check their record the previous year and compare it to what they did after he got there. He avg 15 per in 24 min a game and established himself as a goto scorer as a rookie.

He avg 20 per 2-3 seasons as well.

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Mitchell is great at driving and finishing/drawing contact. It's the skill which every other facet of his game flows from.

I know you want to discount this but I would also say his other main skill is work ehtic. He plays his ass off on every play and seems primarily concerned with being a great player and teammate. That's half the battle when it comes to players realizing their potential.

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Superstar in training is shitting the joint up currently. I will allow for the excuse of it being early but he is looking the guy that Vegan and I thought he was. Volume scorer and nothing else.

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It's very early. That's not an excuse, it's just true. His shot selection is troubling right now though. If he's still playing like this after 20-25 games I will be concerned.

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Its one of the reasons that I think he will be a guy that shoots in the low 40's at best for most of his career. He takes bad shots. He also has to do more things that score and his assist to turnover ratio is terrible. With his shot selection he'd have to score a lot of points on layups in order for him to get above 45%. He also is avg 22 shots per game. That is Michael Jordan territory. It is early though.

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Strong bounce back game so far tonight. Needs to close them out.

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