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The lack of pass rush these past two weeks has been the most troubling thing for me. I've got no problem with Mitch.

I will agree the lack of a pass rush is very, very bad. But you have to have at least some problem with Mitch. He is overthrowing guys all the time. It may not be in the top 5 categories of Bears issues, but nevertheless it remains a problem.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't have a great game but he played well enough to win with. There were a ton of drops and Bellamy's effort cost them important plays. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had over 400 yards and 3 touchdowns.

Our ST gave up 14 points and our defense couldn't stop the Patriots offense until the Patriots stopped trying. Someone needs to question Fangio.

Where is the running game? Howard only appears capable of getting 2 yards. They have to make (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's job a little easier.

Nagy had a few brain farts.


I'm not making the defense the main culprit in today's loss; they only gave up 24 points to a Brady-led offense. Special teams was the worst aspect. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky missing throws and making bad decisions in the red zone that could have led to INTs. Need to run more; if they are so worried about the pass rush affecting (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, mixing in more runs and using play action will slow down that pass rush. Also allows the defense to get rest if the running game is effective. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has shown potential; he needs another off-season of working on his mechanics and studying film. Floyd needs to step up and provide pass rush with Mack limited because of injury. The defense needs to tackle better. Put White on the field and if he is not showing anything at all, cut him because he doesn't contribute to the special teams and he is just taking up a roster spot at that point. They are way better than last year; they are staying in games, showing fight and coming back in most of the games. The team just needs a little more talent on both sides and they will be a contender.


I'm not placing the loss entirely on the defense but they've sucked the past 2 weeks against teams with injuries to key players.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky looked like Mahomes did last week against the Patriots. Very uneven but productive enough to win with. I could live without all of the shitty throws too but every quarterback not named Brady/Rodgers/Brees pretty much does the same thing weekly.

This offense has to pass because Howard hasn't been good. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's recent improvement makes me believe that they could be the best offense in the NFC if Howard pulls his head out of his ass.

From Cutler apologist to Mitch apologist. Some things never change


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SAD!

Seriously though, how many games did Cutler have 400+ yards of total offense and 3 TDs?

Mitch wasn't great, but neither was he the reason the Bears lost.

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Those aggregate stats of Yrubisky's are very misleading. Without the Tampa Bay game, the numbers wouldn't even resemble those. I'm not hating on Mitch; that's just a fact.

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The lack of pass rush these past two weeks has been the most troubling thing for me. I've got no problem with Mitch.

I will agree the lack of a pass rush is very, very bad. But you have to have at least some problem with Mitch. He is overthrowing guys all the time. It may not be in the top 5 categories of Bears issues, but nevertheless it remains a problem.


Agreed. He's still young, but he is very up and down right now. I appreciate his wheels, but he won't always be able to rely on those.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The lack of pass rush these past two weeks has been the most troubling thing for me. I've got no problem with Mitch.

I will agree the lack of a pass rush is very, very bad. But you have to have at least some problem with Mitch. He is overthrowing guys all the time. It may not be in the top 5 categories of Bears issues, but nevertheless it remains a problem.


OK. I won't say "no problem". But the problem that I have with him is an easy fix.

He's got too much happy feet going on. Once he gets more comfortable in the pocket in tandem with getting the ball out in a better rhythm, it will all click in.

It's about experience. The skills are there.

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I missed the game, is Mack still looking hurt?
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I missed the game, is Mack still looking hurt?


He should not have played.

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I missed the game, is Mack still looking hurt?


He should not have played.


I'm not even sure he did play.

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I missed the game, is Mack still looking hurt?


He should not have played.


I'm not even sure he did play.


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SAD!

Seriously though, how many games did Cutler have 400+ yards of total offense and 3 TDs?

Mitch wasn't great, but neither was he the reason the Bears lost.

No but these are the same things we used to say about Jay. " Hey, look at his final stats, they weren't that bad " .Yeah cuz you were down 14 in the 4th and the opponent was playing soft zone and letting him complete passes and pad his final stats. " Oh its the defense, oh its the special teams, oh he needs a receiver". They all had a hand in the loss today no doubt but long term as has been stated a few times, Im really concerned that he misses open receivers for huge plays, touchdowns. This looks like Grossman / Jay redux. I don't think thats something qb's learn to get better at at the pro level. I get the feeling we'll be saying that same thing about him in 3 years.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s stats should look much worse. He played like garbage.


The two interceptions were functions of great plays by the secondary of the Pats.


He also threw two easy pics that were dropped in the end zone.

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SAD!

Seriously though, how many games did Cutler have 400+ yards of total offense and 3 TDs?

Mitch wasn't great, but neither was he the reason the Bears lost.

No but these are the same things we used to say about Jay. " Hey, look at his final stats, they weren't that bad " .Yeah cuz you were down 14 in the 4th and the opponent was playing soft zone and letting him complete passes and pad his final stats. " Oh its the defense, oh its the special teams, oh he needs a receiver". They all had a hand in the loss today no doubt but long term as has been stated a few times, Im really concerned that he misses open receivers for huge plays, touchdowns. This looks like Grossman / Jay redux. I don't think thats something qb's learn to get better at at the pro level. I get the feeling we'll be saying that same thing about him in 3 years.


If in Year 7 (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is still making the same mistakes, I'll complain too. Right now, we have a developing QB with top 10 stats who looks better than most of the quarterbacks in the league. At no point in their careers did Cutler or Grossman put up the same numbers in 5 consecutive games that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky put up in the last 3. If you watched the game on Monday, you saw Mahomes overthrow open receivers and have some near interceptions. He has better talent around him too.

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Listen to today's Under Center podcast; Briggs, Forte, and Brown did a great of breaking down the game and pointing out the flaws today. No meatball stuff here.

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He barely talks; the other three dominate the conversation this week.

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That is good news, I will probably give it a download then.

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Its only 25 mins so its a fast listen.

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Kreutz says (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is seeing the field better and checking to plays that are positive. One check even got the Bears a touchdown.

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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.
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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.


Another horrific football thought. They put up 31 points! Of course the Offense needs to fine tune things, but that SHOULD win you a football game.

This is all on defense/special teams. What the fuck were you watching?!?!?!
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If Mitch is going to be in accurate then maybe he should not throw so many passes to tiny receivers ... more Kevin White?
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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.


Another horrific football thought. They put up 31 points! Of course the Offense needs to fine tune things, but that SHOULD win you a football game.

This is all on defense/special teams. What the fuck were you watching?!?!?!


What did I say that wasn't factual, Bob? I watched a QB miss easy passes repeatedly, when some of the them could have gone for points. Too many overthrows, forced throws and throws behind the receivers. He clearly took a step back in this game, when had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played better, the Bears would have won.

I would say that putting up 31 is never enough against the Patriots.
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The lack of pass rush these past two weeks has been the most troubling thing for me. I've got no problem with Mitch.

I will agree the lack of a pass rush is very, very bad. But you have to have at least some problem with Mitch. He is overthrowing guys all the time. It may not be in the top 5 categories of Bears issues, but nevertheless it remains a problem.


OK. I won't say "no problem". But the problem that I have with him is an easy fix.

He's got too much happy feet going on. Once he gets more comfortable in the pocket in tandem with getting the ball out in a better rhythm, it will all click in.

It's about experience. The skills are there.


Yep. Good assessment. For a young guy, he is at a good point in his development. They should be more worried about the running game. Howard looks like a totally different back this season.

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He should not have played.


You might be right. They are still double teaming him, though, and that means to me that others are not doing their job including Fangio. Fangio has gone vanilla this entire season as well as last season and I do not think this is a good policy.

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What did I say that wasn't factual, Bob? I watched a QB miss easy passes repeatedly, when some of the them could have gone for points. Too many overthrows, forced throws and throws behind the receivers. He clearly took a step back in this game, when had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played better, the Bears would have won.

I would say that putting up 31 is never enough against the Patriots.
Do you think the Bears would have won if they had re-signed Matt Barkley and kept him as the starter?

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What did I say that wasn't factual, Bob? I watched a QB miss easy passes repeatedly, when some of the them could have gone for points. Too many overthrows, forced throws and throws behind the receivers. He clearly took a step back in this game, when had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played better, the Bears would have won.

I would say that putting up 31 is never enough against the Patriots.
Do you think the Bears would have won if they had re-signed Matt Barkley and kept him as the starter?


They needed Dan Fouts on the field, not in the booth.

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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.


Baloney. To listen to your assessment, you'd expect that the Bears were blown out in this game but they, of course, were not. They were ONE YARD shy of a tied game against a many time Super Bowl caliber team. They are 3-3 and could easily be 5-1. This is not the terrible team and coaching staff that you claim it is. And your bumrapping (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is ridiculous. Guess what, he had over 400+ yards of total offense. Calling them "outclassed" is very much an over-statement.

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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.


Baloney. To listen to your assessment, you'd expect that the Bears were blown out in this game but they, of course, were not. They were ONE YARD shy of a tied game against a many time Super Bowl caliber team. They are 3-3 and could easily be 5-1. This is not the terrible team and coaching staff that you claim it is. And your bumrapping (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is ridiculous. Guess what, he had over 400+ yards of total offense. Calling them "outclassed" is very much an over-statement.


It's not bumrapping, it's called being objective. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had 300 yards passing on 50 throws. 24 of those plays resulted in zero yards.

No one should be enthralled by (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's running when he should be making completions instead. It's only a matter of time that Mitch's running catches up to him. This is not what you want your franchise quarterback doing.

Urlacher's Missing Neck called Mitch a donkey. I think that's a spot on assessment.
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They certainly were not "outclassed". They were in this game all the way and were short ONE YARD in tying the game. We win this game if a couple of breaks go their way. The game really was a toss-up.


Of course the Bears were outclassed, mostly on offense and special teams. The Bears offense was woefully inefficient, particularly at the QB position. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed only 26 of 50 passes (52 if you count the sacks) for a 69.8 QB rating. This compares to Brady who was 25 for 36 passing with a 108.2 QB rating. A lot of the blame is on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for missing open guys and some of it on Nagy for poor play calling. There was no balance to the Bears offense, because the running game was inept, other than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's scrambling. The Bears were dominated on special teams with the PATS putting up two touchdowns that turned out to be the difference in the game. Nagy and co. were outcoached again, this time in all three phases.

You saw no emotion from Belichik after good plays and touchdowns by his team, because that is what he expects from them.


Another horrific football thought. They put up 31 points! Of course the Offense needs to fine tune things, but that SHOULD win you a football game.

This is all on defense/special teams. What the fuck were you watching?!?!?!


Mack just said during transition that the loss was on special teams and the offense, which is what I said. So what game were you watching?
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There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.
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