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His "Low-T" philosophy is hurting the Bears, not helping
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He is certainly not getting himself closer to a pro head coaching job.

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Bringing 5 or more is retarded, especially against Tommy Touchdown. The 4 they are bringing simply need to be better. Mack, Floyd, Hicks, Lynch...these guys need to improve dramatically. RRH and Bullard need to take a backseat to Nichols too, he's simply better. Goldman is the only one who is still playing well.


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He's struggling. His history of competence doesn't allow me to hate him yet.

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I am on record not liking Vic Fangio but he is absolutely correct to not be blitzing. Blitzing is bad.


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Against a back up RB and a banged up OLine, you have to get pressure with your front 4.

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so about the only thing brady doesnt do exceptionally well is deep ball accuracy.... perhaps consistent 5-6 man rushes with the secondary in tight cover 1 and daring them to beat the bear deep with gordon would have been better than sitting back and letting him dissect


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Thank you @DannyParkins you don’t blitz Tom Brady. Stop talking about when they blitz 6. That was on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. Personnel and situation matters


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So you sit back and let Brady pick you apart?


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So you sit back and let Brady pick you apart?

I dont have a great plan for stopping Tom Brady. Most in the know seem to think Blitzing is definitely NOT a good idea.


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I think the thought is Brady releases very quickly and they will simply slant the hell out of your blitzes. Get there with four is right probably but it was disappointing. I thought Fangio was the clever move guys around and come from different angles guy with the Niners. Going with four does not mean its all the same guys from same spot every time.

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If special teams can make a tackle or get a punt off, this is all moot.

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Fangio is similar to Lovie in a few ways. He plays a lot of bend but don’t break defense, he doesn’t put together sophisticated blitz packages, he’s great at preparing his guys to play during the week, and he doesn’t make any real in game adjustments. He pretty much plays straight up defense asking his players to be better than the players on offense regardless of what the offensive gameplan is.


One guy does this out of a 4-3, the other out of a 3-4.


I actually like Vic, but I think the game is beginning to pass him by. He isn’t adapting and scheming at all on game day. I’m ready at this point to see him go tbh. The only thing that worries me with this is that Vic is good at getting the most out of his guys, that’s not always easy to find.

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I think the thought is Brady releases very quickly and they will simply slant the hell out of your blitzes. Get there with four is right probably but it was disappointing. I thought Fangio was the clever move guys around and come from different angles guy with the Niners. Going with four does not mean its all the same guys from same spot every time.




Then disguise your blitzes and keep him guessing. Brady’s worst games are the games he gets hit in -most great QB’s worst games are. And those have been blitz heavy many times.

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Fangio is similar to Lovie in a few ways. He plays a lot of bend but don’t break defense, he doesn’t put together sophisticated blitz packages, he’s great at preparing his guys to play during the week, and he doesn’t make any real in game adjustments. He pretty much plays straight up defense asking his players to be better than the players on offense regardless of what the offensive gameplan is.


One guy does this out of a 4-3, the other out of a 3-4.


I actually like Vic, but I think the game is beginning to pass him by. He isn’t adapting and scheming at all on game day. I’m ready at this point to see him go tbh. The only thing that worries me with this is that Vic is good at getting the most out of his guys, that’s not always easy to find.


I'm used to him making chicken salad so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Roquan Smith can't just play half the game though.

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Nas wrote:
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Fangio is similar to Lovie in a few ways. He plays a lot of bend but don’t break defense, he doesn’t put together sophisticated blitz packages, he’s great at preparing his guys to play during the week, and he doesn’t make any real in game adjustments. He pretty much plays straight up defense asking his players to be better than the players on offense regardless of what the offensive gameplan is.


One guy does this out of a 4-3, the other out of a 3-4.


I actually like Vic, but I think the game is beginning to pass him by. He isn’t adapting and scheming at all on game day. I’m ready at this point to see him go tbh. The only thing that worries me with this is that Vic is good at getting the most out of his guys, that’s not always easy to find.


I'm used to him making chicken salad so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Roquan Smith can't just play half the game though.




This plays a little into my final point.. Vic is good at getting the most out of what he has. How much of what we’re not seeing is personnel limitations Vs coaching limitations..?



I can’t answer that tbh.

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NME wrote:
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NME wrote:
Fangio is similar to Lovie in a few ways. He plays a lot of bend but don’t break defense, he doesn’t put together sophisticated blitz packages, he’s great at preparing his guys to play during the week, and he doesn’t make any real in game adjustments. He pretty much plays straight up defense asking his players to be better than the players on offense regardless of what the offensive gameplan is.


One guy does this out of a 4-3, the other out of a 3-4.


I actually like Vic, but I think the game is beginning to pass him by. He isn’t adapting and scheming at all on game day. I’m ready at this point to see him go tbh. The only thing that worries me with this is that Vic is good at getting the most out of his guys, that’s not always easy to find.


I'm used to him making chicken salad so I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Roquan Smith can't just play half the game though.




This plays a little into my final point.. Vic is good at getting the most out of what he has. How much of what we’re not seeing is personnel limitations Vs coaching limitations..?



I can’t answer that tbh.


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pittmike wrote:
I think the thought is Brady releases very quickly and they will simply slant the hell out of your blitzes. Get there with four is right probably but it was disappointing. I thought Fangio was the clever move guys around and come from different angles guy with the Niners. Going with four does not mean its all the same guys from same spot every time.


Then disguise your blitzes and keep him guessing. Brady’s worst games are the games he gets hit in -most great QB’s worst games are. And those have been blitz heavy many times.


The teams that do well against the Patriots are the ones that get good pressure with 4 and then blitz occasionally. You have to think Mack is hurt considering he didn't play better.

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I am on record not liking Vic Fangio but he is absolutely correct to not be blitzing. Blitzing is bad.


Staying in a soft zone with no pass rush is worse. They needed to put pressure on Brady and didn't. It is one thing to have a healthy Mack and rush 4. It is another thing to have a dinged up Mack and a worthless FLoyd and rush 3 or 4. Fangio needs to get his head out of his ass.

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NME wrote:
Fangio is similar to Lovie in a few ways. He plays a lot of bend but don’t break defense, he doesn’t put together sophisticated blitz packages, he’s great at preparing his guys to play during the week, and he doesn’t make any real in game adjustments. He pretty much plays straight up defense asking his players to be better than the players on offense regardless of what the offensive gameplan is.


One guy does this out of a 4-3, the other out of a 3-4.


I actually like Vic, but I think the game is beginning to pass him by. He isn’t adapting and scheming at all on game day. I’m ready at this point to see him go tbh. The only thing that worries me with this is that Vic is good at getting the most out of his guys, that’s not always easy to find.


I think that the best defenses are unpredictable. Not knowing what the defense is going to do is a good thing. Fangio has really not impressed me last year nor this year. As far as I am concerned his honeymoon is over.

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Fangio pisses me off just like Lovie did with his soft bend not break philosophy on 2nd and 3rd and long while they had such great over-all defensive talent. I almost wished back then that they'd have had more 3rd and two situations with Lovie's defenses instead of the 3rd and eight or 3rd and ten because Lovie's defenses would way too many times allow all of the underneath shit to get completed and give up too many first downs.

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