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Watson was horribly inaccurate at Clemson and threw a ton of interceptions. Otherwise he would have been the hands down #1 pick, even graded higher than Luck. Shit he took town Alabama! He will still be good, but FavreFan anointing him last year was exhausting, to everyone I think.

Good call Bob! Watson was putting up unprecedented numbers in his first 6 NFL games but I was definitely the only one who thought he was good because of it!

You were told to cool your jets, but were not having any of it. It's a marathon, not a sprint. The season, a career, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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It's not just me trolling. That is Mitch's comp so far. MANY are using it.

It is just you trolling but I've gotten used to it by now. Its about the laziest comparison I can think of. Big, white QB's who like to run....MATCH.

Its Year Five for Bortles and he still cannot throw a spiral. To act like there is even a comp for Bortles to begin with is hilarious.


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Watson was horribly inaccurate at Clemson and threw a ton of interceptions. Otherwise he would have been the hands down #1 pick, even graded higher than Luck. Shit he took town Alabama! He will still be good, but FavreFan anointing him last year was exhausting, to everyone I think.

Good call Bob! Watson was putting up unprecedented numbers in his first 6 NFL games but I was definitely the only one who thought he was good because of it!

You were told to cool your jets, but were not having any of it. It's a marathon, not a sprint. The season, a career, etc.

I said he was really good and it looks like he's really good. Not sure what you're going on about but a simple apology will suffice.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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It's not just me trolling. That is Mitch's comp so far. MANY are using it.

It is just you trolling but I've gotten used to it by now. Its about the laziest comparison I can think of. Big, white QB's who like to run....MATCH.

Its Year Five for Bortles and he still cannot throw a spiral. To act like there is even a comp for Bortles to begin with is hilarious.

Mobile QBs who were top draft picks who have extreme variance in accuracy and decision making and aren't really improving in either facet - it's a good comp. And national NFL writers are using it. Keep having that Nagy-esque victim mindset though where you think everyone is just picking on your guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Mitch does not appear to be getting more accurate but his receivers don't seem open often either except Burton. Maybe it's time to put in Kevin White? At least he is a bigger target.


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It's not just me trolling. That is Mitch's comp so far. MANY are using it.

It is just you trolling but I've gotten used to it by now. Its about the laziest comparison I can think of. Big, white QB's who like to run....MATCH.

Its Year Five for Bortles and he still cannot throw a spiral. To act like there is even a comp for Bortles to begin with is hilarious.

Mobile QBs who were top draft picks who have extreme variance in accuracy and decision making and aren't really improving in either facet - it's a good comp. And national NFL writers are using it. Keep having that Nagy-esque victim mindset though where you think everyone is just picking on your guy.

Which National NFL writers? I found one article, and it was a fantasy article (STRIKE ONE) and written by a fucking woman (STRIKE TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN...). Its really just you saying that because you are trolling us. Have something productive to say maybe?


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Mitch does not appear to be getting more accurate but his receivers don't seem open often either except Burton. Maybe it's time to put in Kevin White? At least he is a bigger target.

1. He is getting way more accurate, where were you 4Q of Week 1?
2. Miller is open every play
3. Kevin White sucks, shut the hell up about Kevin White


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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It's not just me trolling. That is Mitch's comp so far. MANY are using it.

It is just you trolling but I've gotten used to it by now. Its about the laziest comparison I can think of. Big, white QB's who like to run....MATCH.

Its Year Five for Bortles and he still cannot throw a spiral. To act like there is even a comp for Bortles to begin with is hilarious.

Mobile QBs who were top draft picks who have extreme variance in accuracy and decision making and aren't really improving in either facet - it's a good comp. And national NFL writers are using it. Keep having that Nagy-esque victim mindset though where you think everyone is just picking on your guy.

Which National NFL writers? I found one article, and it was a fantasy article (STRIKE ONE) and written by a fucking woman (STRIKE TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN...). Its really just you saying that because you are trolling us. Have something productive to say maybe?

Bill Barnwell on his latest podcast. Robert Mays, another NFL writer who grew up a Bears fan, agreed with the comp.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

"they" is basically "FavreFan"


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I was a Cutler defender for a while. It’s intersting being on the other side about Mitch. “He doesn’t have top talent around him” “New system!” “If he just would have done _____ they could have won”

All my old excuses for Cutler coming back to be used against me when I say Mitch is shit. Intersting to be on the right side of history this time.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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At least Bortles took a team to the AFC Title game. Only way Mitch is doing that in the NFC is buying tickets.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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At least Bortles took a team to the AFC Title game. Only way Mitch is doing that in the NFC is buying tickets.

wait you think it was Bortles who took the Jags to the AFCCG last year?


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I have no issues with where Mitch is at right now. There are nearly 40 first round QB's drafted in the last 10-12 years. The only real hits on this list are Ryan, Stafford, Luck, Cam, Wentz, and Goff. And of that group, only Ryan was picked after a non-QB. Stafford, Luck, Cam, Wentz, and Goff were all picked 1 or second behind a QB on that list.

The 2017 QB class is looking historically underrated coming out of the draft. They have 3 legit prospects and non of them had a 1.1 overall draft grade. Mitch didn't come out as a true franchise QB. A true franchise QB needs to go 1.1 in my eyes or 1.2 in the case of RG3. That was not the deal the 49er's got for mitch.

Mitch stakes up very well to everyone on this list that doesn't have a 1.1 or 1.2 next to them.

1 3 Vince Young
1 10 Matt Leinart
1 11 Jay Cutler
1 1 JaMarcus Russell
1 22 Brady Quinn
1 18 Joe Flacco
1 3 Matt Ryan
1 17 Josh Freeman
1 5 Mark Sanchez
1 1 Matthew Stafford
1 25 Tim Tebow
1 1 Sam Bradford
1 12 Christian Ponder
1 10 Blaine Gabbert
1 8 Jake Locker
1 1 Cam Newton
1 1 Andrew Luck
1 2 Robert Griffin
1 8 Ryan Tannehill
1 22 Brandon Weeden
1 16 EJ Manuel
1 3 Blake Bortles
1 22 Johnny Manziel
1 32 Teddy Bridgewater
1 1 Jameis Winston
1 2 Marcus Mariota
1 1 Jared Goff
1 2 Carson Wentz
1 26 Paxton Lynch
1 2 Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
1 10 Patrick Mahomes
1 12 Deshaun Watson
1 1 Baker Mayfield
1 3 Sam Darnold
1 7 Josh Allen
1 10 Josh Rosen
1 32 Lamar Jackson

Would you trade Mitch for any QB from the 2018 draft class at this point?


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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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At least Bortles took a team to the AFC Title game. Only way Mitch is doing that in the NFC is buying tickets.

wait you think it was Bortles who took the Jags to the AFCCG last year?


‘Took’ isn’t the right word I suppose. Was QB for a team that made it to the AFC title game.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I have no issues with where Mitch is at right now. There are nearly 40 first round QB's drafted in the last 10-12 years. The only real hits on this list are Ryan, Stafford, Luck, Cam, Wentz, and Goff. And of that group, only Ryan was picked after a non-QB. Stafford, Luck, Cam, Wentz, and Goff were all picked 1 or second behind a QB on that list.

The 2017 QB class is looking historically underrated coming out of the draft. They have 3 legit prospects and non of them had a 1.1 overall draft grade. Mitch didn't come out as a true franchise QB. A true franchise QB needs to go 1.1 in my eyes or 1.2 in the case of RG3. That was not the deal the 49er's got for mitch.

Mitch stakes up very well to everyone on this list that doesn't have a 1.1 or 1.2 next to them.

1 3 Vince Young
1 10 Matt Leinart
1 11 Jay Cutler
1 1 JaMarcus Russell
1 22 Brady Quinn
1 18 Joe Flacco
1 3 Matt Ryan
1 17 Josh Freeman
1 5 Mark Sanchez
1 1 Matthew Stafford
1 25 Tim Tebow
1 1 Sam Bradford
1 12 Christian Ponder
1 10 Blaine Gabbert
1 8 Jake Locker
1 1 Cam Newton
1 1 Andrew Luck
1 2 Robert Griffin
1 8 Ryan Tannehill
1 22 Brandon Weeden
1 16 EJ Manuel
1 3 Blake Bortles
1 22 Johnny Manziel
1 32 Teddy Bridgewater
1 1 Jameis Winston
1 2 Marcus Mariota
1 1 Jared Goff
1 2 Carson Wentz
1 26 Paxton Lynch
1 2 Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky
1 10 Patrick Mahomes
1 12 Deshaun Watson
1 1 Baker Mayfield
1 3 Sam Darnold
1 7 Josh Allen
1 10 Josh Rosen
1 32 Lamar Jackson

Would you trade Mitch for any QB from the 2018 draft class at this point?

I would trade Mitch for Darnold and possibly Baker.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Also I hate comparing Watson to Mitch because you have to have RG3 glasses on viewing him. Do you think Watson wins a title before he is permanently destroyed. I don't think he has much of a chance and they will be drafting a QB in the next 5 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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FavreFan wrote:
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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iHTl5EDEzo

Your balding soyboy NFL writers should at least familiarize themselves with basic QB mechanics before making dumb comparisons that are based on skin color and body type.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Also I hate comparing Watson to Mitch because you have to have RG3 glasses on viewing him. Do you think Watson wins a title before he is permanently destroyed. I don't think he has much of a chance and they will be drafting a QB in the next 5 years.

Watson is infinitely tougher, smarter and a better than leader than RGIII. I think you are going to be ultimately correct but Watson is going to fight tooth and nail to stay in the league and nobody is going to not want him in their locker room. Watson will always be the ideal QB in terms of attitude and teams will want to keep giving him opportunities because of that.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iHTl5EDEzo

Your balding soyboy NFL writers should at least familiarize themselves with basic QB mechanics before making dumb comparisons that are based on skin color and body type.

They know much more about the NFL than both of us and another thing they have over you is they don't radically change their opinions after every latest game played.

I'm sorry the valid comparison hurts your feelings.

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Also I hate comparing Watson to Mitch because you have to have RG3 glasses on viewing him. Do you think Watson wins a title before he is permanently destroyed. I don't think he has much of a chance and they will be drafting a QB in the next 5 years.

Watson is infinitely tougher, smarter and a better than leader than RGIII. I think you are going to be ultimately correct but Watson is going to fight tooth and nail to stay in the league and nobody is going to not want him in their locker room. Watson will always be the ideal QB in terms of attitude and teams will want to keep giving him opportunities because of that.


I'll agree with everything you said about Watson. And I hope that I'm wrong as he is good for the game. Much like Mike Brown, plays the game at a level the human body can't sustain.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I was a Cutler defender for a while. It’s intersting being on the other side about Mitch. “He doesn’t have top talent around him” “New system!” “If he just would have done _____ they could have won”

All my old excuses for Cutler coming back to be used against me when I say Mitch is shit. Intersting to be on the right side of history this time.

The major difference is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is in year 2, whereas Cutler was in year 5+.

Right now, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is on pace to have a better season than the pro bowl year Cutler had in Denver.

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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iHTl5EDEzo

Your balding soyboy NFL writers should at least familiarize themselves with basic QB mechanics before making dumb comparisons that are based on skin color and body type.

They know much more about the NFL than both of us and another thing they have over you is they don't radically change their opinions after every latest game played.

I'm sorry the valid comparison hurts your feelings.

Its just low energy trolling, you havent even bothered to present the substance of their argument to the board. Just that I just should trust them.


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Right now, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is on pace to have a better season than the pro bowl year Cutler had in Denver.

Not relevant.


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I was a Cutler defender for a while. It’s intersting being on the other side about Mitch. “He doesn’t have top talent around him” “New system!” “If he just would have done _____ they could have won”

All my old excuses for Cutler coming back to be used against me when I say Mitch is shit. Intersting to be on the right side of history this time.

The major difference is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is in year 2, whereas Cutler was in year 5+.

Right now, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is on pace to have a better season than the pro bowl year Cutler had in Denver.

Almost the entire league is. That doesn't tell us much.

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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.
That's a hard thing to quantify. If we are talking about Bortles in year 2 vs. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky in year 2 then I'll take that and be happy.

If he reminds them of a guy who is going to lose his job to Cody Kessler then I can't agree.

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We seeing more 400+ yard passers in a single week than entire seasons had before. Statistical comparisons are done, at least until defenses start putting up a fight.


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I was a Cutler defender for a while. It’s intersting being on the other side about Mitch. “He doesn’t have top talent around him” “New system!” “If he just would have done _____ they could have won”

All my old excuses for Cutler coming back to be used against me when I say Mitch is shit. Intersting to be on the right side of history this time.

The major difference is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is in year 2, whereas Cutler was in year 5+.

Right now, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is on pace to have a better season than the pro bowl year Cutler had in Denver.

Almost the entire league is. That doesn't tell us much.
It does when we are comparing the difference between the excuses for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky vs. the excuses for Cutler.

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