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I am a little tired of the idea that NFL front offices and coaching staffs, people who put in 100 hour weeks year-round doing nothing but football, have no idea what they are doing but random blogger/ex-player/media loser/message board person have it all figured out. I'm not saying all these NFL people are geniuses and beyond reproach, but something about taking really valid criticism like "I'm not sure he can reign in his gunslinger mentality enough to not be intercepted all the time" and turning it around to say scouts are misdiagnosing a positive as a negative...I aint buying it. If the Bills stay put and draft Mahomes 1.10 and hes out there in Buffalo throwing to Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin in the snow and shit last year (which btw he would've been thrust into a starting role around Q3 of week 4) how do you think he'd be doing? Probably not as well as he is throwing to by far the best skill position group in the NFL with a good pass protecting OL while running the NFL's most cutting edge offensive scheme.

I'm not hating on Mahomes. Guy has a rocket arm and knows how to make plays, there is no doubting it. If you were to redraft 2017 he would go 1.1 overall and it wouldn't even be close. But he got dropped into the absolute perfect situation and I'm not willing to say every team in the NFL is OMFGSTUPID for looking at his profile and thinking that they are not sure they could avoid him becoming a turnover machine. The Chiefs saw an opportunity to get a guy they thought they could plug in and dominate with and to their credit they have executed it to perfection. But look around and name and offense that isn't executing at a super-high level right now. There aren't many.

There a bunch of cold crotchety defensive coaches pouring over film right now finding little ways to poke and prod at this scheme and eventually one of them will find the weak spot. No scheme is perfect, no offensive impervious to defense. The rules are the rules, they've made some thing easier, but out there in Baltimore, Tennessee, Chicago....NEW ENGLAND...who knows where, someone is going to solve this thing Reid is running and we'll see how Mahomes does then. I am not anointing him as anything more than a top 10 QB at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I am a little tired of the idea that NFL front offices and coaching staffs, people who put in 100 hour weeks year-round doing nothing but football, have no idea what they are doing but random blogger/ex-player/media loser/message board person have it all figured out.

nfl teams are pretty dumb. busy =/= productive


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Yeah which one of the posters here was convinced he could be a great GM?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I am a little tired of the idea that NFL front offices and coaching staffs, people who put in 100 hour weeks year-round doing nothing but football, have no idea what they are doing but random blogger/ex-player/media loser/message board person have it all figured out.

nfl teams are pretty dumb. busy =/= productive

Yup. Situation is a huge factor on these players reaching their potential, just like any other sport, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend teams like the Bills, Giants, and Raiders aren't dumb as fuck and ruining their franchises when they clearly are to any outside observer. I'm also not claiming I could do a better job - I'm not an NFL executive either, I wouldn't know where to even start. But anyone who follows the league and has a little common sense can easily spot the trainwreck front offices. It's not difficult.

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Yeah which one of the posters here was convinced he could be a great GM?

iirc IMU believes he could put together a successful MLB team.

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Yeah which one of the posters here was convinced he could be a great GM?

iirc IMU believes he could put together a successful MLB team.


Yeah that was it.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Well the Bills have a really good head coach and the Raiders are easy to lampoon because they are tearing down their entire roster for a huge rebuild, and the head coach hasn't made any friends in the MNF booth the last ten years and is still coaching the league like its 2003. But is Gruden an idiot who doesn't have the football know-how to do the job he's currently doing? I dont think so. I think this whole thing has been a plan by him and he just is so media-unfriendly and obtusely unaware of the changes social media has brought to player consciousness that people think he's a bumbling idiot when the reality is he just sucks at PR.

The Giants are stupid as hell for sticking with Eli, if they had an even average QB that team would be pretty good with Barkley and Odell. I dont see where they have gone totally off-the-rails. New York fans adore Eli, he is their god and it has taken them until now to realize what has been evident for years. The front office drank the kool-aid and now they are paying the price.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There's no evidence McDermott is a good head coach, and there is ample evidence that he does not have one fucking clue how to handle quarterbacks. Kind of a big problem in today's NFL. The front office there is a joke.

The Raiders and Giants are both disasters. Gruden seems to show a fundamental lack of understanding of where the NFL is right now. It doesn't take 2-3 years to rebuild a NFL team. A good coach does it in one offseason. There are several examples of this recently, not just the Rams.

You can paint a rosy picture about any NFL team, especially if you use the modern fan's line of thinking where being terrible is Actually Good, but I'm comfortable saying those three teams are disasters and aren't close to competing, and if you aren't close to competing in the NFL you are simply failing at your job.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say that the guy who pulled Taylor for Peterman last year and went into this season with Peterman as the starter is disqualified from the title of "really good head coach."


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Gruden could've put together a respectable sub .500-ish team that would've pretended to contend until week 10 or so and it would've been no big deal in anyone's mind. That team wasn't going shit anywhere this year and he knew it. So did all of us.

This isn't baseball either. The 53 guys on that roster battle every day because they are auditioning for a job next year. The Raiders dont play uninspired, listless football the way the White Sox gleefully lose game-after-game in the MLB. They just aren't very good and Gruden seems to have accurately appraised them as not very good many months ago.

I liked their draft. Hurst, Key and Parker are hyper talented guys at important positions that they got great value on. Not really sure about Kolton Miller to be honest, but I'll try and give him a little more runway than not even the first half of his rookie season.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
America wrote:
I am a little tired of the idea that NFL front offices and coaching staffs, people who put in 100 hour weeks year-round doing nothing but football, have no idea what they are doing but random blogger/ex-player/media loser/message board person have it all figured out.

nfl teams are pretty dumb. busy =/= productive

Yup. Situation is a huge factor on these players reaching their potential, just like any other sport, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend teams like the Bills, Giants, and Raiders aren't dumb as fuck and ruining their franchises when they clearly are to any outside observer. I'm also not claiming I could do a better job - I'm not an NFL executive either, I wouldn't know where to even start. But anyone who follows the league and has a little common sense can easily spot the trainwreck front offices. It's not difficult.


Even more to the point is the Giants were a gold standard of front offices not more than a decade ago.

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Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say that the guy who pulled Taylor for Peterman last year and went into this season with Peterman as the starter is disqualified from the title of "really good head coach."

Tyrod sucks. He's better than Peterman but that's no accomplishment.

Sucks about the injury to Allen. They should've been better prepared for it and now they are stuck trying to get Derek Anderson. I still think McDermott has a dogshit roster that he squeezes way more out of than he has any business getting every week.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Yeah which one of the posters here was convinced he could be a great GM?


I'll take dolphin and Doc to draft players and probably FF and America to deal with free agent signings.

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The Giants are a disaster because Eli is a disaster.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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The Giants are a disaster because Eli is a disaster.

And their offensive line is a disaster, their defense has fallen to the middle of the pack and is going to continue to fall further as they deal their only good players on that side for day 3 picks, and their new coach's resume suggests he is overwhelmed at the HC spot and should be a career coordinator.

If you replace Eli with an average QB the Giants still suck. They're going to be bad for awhile.

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The Raiders dont play uninspired, listless football the way the White Sox gleefully lose game-after-game in the MLB. They just aren't very good and Gruden seems to have accurately appraised them as not very good many months ago.

https://streamable.com/2ix8m


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The Raiders dont play uninspired, listless football the way the White Sox gleefully lose game-after-game in the MLB. They just aren't very good and Gruden seems to have accurately appraised them as not very good many months ago.

https://streamable.com/2ix8m

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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The Giants are a disaster because Eli is a disaster.

And their offensive line is a disaster, their defense has fallen to the middle of the pack and is going to continue to fall further as they deal their only good players on that side for day 3 picks, and their new coach's resume suggests he is overwhelmed at the HC spot and should be a career coordinator.

If you replace Eli with an average QB the Giants still suck. They're going to be bad for awhile.

Well the new head coach was hired because he agreed to the condition of Eli being The Man, which speaks to the broader issue facing their front office which is that it took until now to realize Eli was done and they have done nothing to play for it. They even cut Davis Webb because they didnt want the distraction.


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The Raiders dont play uninspired, listless football the way the White Sox gleefully lose game-after-game in the MLB. They just aren't very good and Gruden seems to have accurately appraised them as not very good many months ago.

https://streamable.com/2ix8m

Bruce Irvin is one of maybe two or three guys on the Raiders who knows his career is done, has already gotten his money and does not give a shit either way. I'm surprised he's still around. Cooper did shit like this all the time and Gruden got his ass out of there asap.


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ZephMarshack wrote:
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say that the guy who pulled Taylor for Peterman last year and went into this season with Peterman as the starter is disqualified from the title of "really good head coach."

Tyrod sucks. He's better than Peterman but that's no accomplishment.

Sucks about the injury to Allen. They should've been better prepared for it and now they are stuck trying to get Derek Anderson. I still think McDermott has a dogshit roster that he squeezes way more out of than he has any business getting every week.

Peterman is historically bad. Going into the season with him as the starter and only other quarterback besides Allen is completely moronic, and McDermott is the de facto GM since Beane is basically his lackey. The dogshit roster is of his own making.

I'd also add that those criticisms of Mahomes as a project apply even more to Allen as one, with far less upside as well. He's exactly the kind of tall white big-armed quarterback scouts always fall in love with, yet there's nowhere near the same frequency or severity of criticism that Mahomes received.


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People were really hard on Josh Allen as a prospect.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People were really hard on Josh Allen as a prospect.

Mainly from the internet nerds who you're arguing should be more deferential to the wise NFL experts and scouts.


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People were really hard on Josh Allen as a prospect.

He also looks to be the worst so far out of him, Baker, Darnold, and Rosen, but it's still early obviously and his situation is doing him no favors.

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Kel Benjamin at least was good once-upon-a-time so I wont say his receivers are 2017 Bears bad, but they are really close.

The one who has really, really disappointed me is Lamar Jackson. Just looks slow and way less athletic.


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Today has been a step back and I am now worried.


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Today has been a step back and I am now worried.


After his best throw of the day no less.

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Posted before the TD but still worried.


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Posted before the TD but still worried.


Game isn’t over.

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