We're both biased.

To be clear, you think he's wrong about Mitch's inconsistency and how quickly he develops happy feet? You do realize MANY Bear fans on here have been saying the same thing over the past 8 weeks, right?

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A touch pass is that little shovel pass Mitch does to Burton and Cohen near the goal line, and yes Mitch can throw it and yes Mitch has "thrown" multiple TDs this year doing it.

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Many of Mitch's runs have been for first downs. And anytime someone picks up a first down, I would contend that is a good play. Also, several commentators have noted that other teams are having to put a defensive spy on Mitch, which means less guys to defend in pass coverage. The impact of Mitch's ability to keep plays alive is probably his best attribute at this point.

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Nas thinks the lead NFL writer for ESPN is just winging it and not watching the games. That's great.

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Mixed bag. It's great that it may create more open receivers but no one in the NFL is better at missing open guys.

3 passes doesn't inflate your totals. It's just a lot of stupidity.

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If he thinks 3 touchdown passes inflate (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's totals he can't be watching the games. Before last game I don't think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a screen pass that went for a touchdown.

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That's 20% of his total, so yeah, it's inflating the number. Mahomes numbers are inflated for the same reason.

Stop with the watching the games argument. That sounds ridiculous when you're trying to argue against a guy who is paid to watch the games for a living.

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Aaron Rodgers also "threw" a TD to Cobb week one that had about 70 YAC attached to it. It happens all across the NFL.

Mitch has been inconsistent, which is exactly what happens with a 24 year old QB. He is getting better and will likely continue to get better.

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Mahomes and Goff have been pretty consistent.

Barnwell's reasons for the comparison are valid. You should at least acknowledge that much even if you disagree with him.

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Other than being a QB there isn't anything about them that are similar. Mitch has top 10 production despite accuracy issues.

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I can't force you to pull your head out of the sand.

The comparisons are valid.

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Nope.

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They're idiotic. Bortles has been considered one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL for years. Despite accuracy issues not even you believe (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

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I believe Nagy is propping Mitch up. I think with a worse coach he would indeed be one of the worst QBs in the NFL. He's not bottom 5 but he's in the bottom half of the league without a doubt.

The specific ways in which Barnwell compares Mitch and Bortles - The over reliance on his legs, the inaccuracy even with a clean pocket and wide open WRs, etc, is valid. To say it's not is to simply be ignorant of the QB position league wide.

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Reid is propping up Mahomes too. Holmgren propped up Favre too. Good coaches help players develop.

Mitch runs as a last resort now. Watching the game makes that clear. Mahomes and most young quarterbacks are inaccurate so that makes them Bortles too?

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Just add that you have to also keep in mind that they have RPO plays which should be considered planned runs when he keeps the ball.

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This is how a lot of modern sports analysis goes now. Make a point without really making a point that people can point to afterwards.

WHERE DID I SAY (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky WAS BORTLES?

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He made a point. I understand why you and other Bear fans are willfully ignoring it though.

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What was his point?

You can make the same point right now about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Steve Young.

Does Barnwell think (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is going to be another Blake Bortles? To me, he isn't saying anything he can't plausibly deny later.

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His point is very clear if you just read his tweet: It's too premature to say with any degree of certainty that Mitch will be similar to Bortles, but so far (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky’s inconsistency, emphasis on running under even moderate pressure, and inflated TD total (from screens/touch passes) are very Bortles-esque.

I think there's a reason prominent writers are comparing him to Bortles and not Steve Young. If you find one making similar comparisons to Steve Young I'd be happy to read the analysis though.

Your last sentence makes it clear to me that you're viewing this too narrowly. Why would he want to plausibly deny anything he is writing? He doesn't have a vested interest in this debate like posters here do. He's simply watching games and relaying his objective observations on what he is seeing. It's his job. It's pretty amusing that Bears fans on a message board think they are more objective

Here's another Bortles comparison for Mitch:



https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/10/3 ... mes-conner

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That point isn't clear at all and/or it is meaningless.

This is a fair bit of modern sports analysis. I'm not saying he is Blake Bortles(who is bad) but he's just like Blake Bortles!

So, if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky proves to be much better, he can claim he didn't say he was, and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky proves to be similar, he can claim he called it.

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The point is clear, it just doesn't fit the Obtuse Rick Everything Is Black Or White There Is No Gray world view. In fact, he literally could not have been more clear about his opinion on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky given the limited character space of the medium.

It's strange that you think he's choosing his wording of tweets based on if he will receive blowback at some future undetermined date for it. I'm quite sure that prominent NFL writers who write and talk about the NFL for a living aren't worried about saying something that looks silly 3 years later. It's inevitable. I would have thought this point is obvious.

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Let me just isolate this. You are wrong. He is LITERALLY saying he's just like Bortles! What else could very Bortles-esque mean?

But yes, he's not an idiot, so of course he's going to acknowledge that it's too early to say Mitch can't grow out of these Bortles-esque tendencies.

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FF you keep linking nonsense. There is no objective analysis that makes Mitch the 6th worst QB in the league. It's laughable that you have to resort to this because your Packers are waving the white flag

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1-3 downs on anything outside the 3 is a passing down in the current environment of the NFL. If Mitch's numbers are being propped, so is everyone else's which means his are not inflated

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It's laughable you think you're more objective than NFL writers who don't give a shit about the Bears or Packers.

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Even you don't agree with that ranking. What was the basis for it? Looks like a guy craving clicks.

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