The Bears make the playoffs next year at 9-7! They win the wild card. The Vikings win the division and the Packers fail to make the playoffs by a game or two.

Rex Grossman is the starter for game 1. Kyle Orton is the starter for game 9(at the latest) and the rest of the season. He plays well enough to get another shot in the following season, but they draft a rookie QB next year to compete with him. Rex Grossman is gone.

The Bears defense returns to top 10 form. The offense is serviceable.

Cedric Benson starts 6 or more games.

The Bears lose in the wildcard round.

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Predicting a tie is always ballsy.

EDIT: no fair! I caught the error. You must now live with it for eternity.

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I caught it before your post. I win!

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I knew I should have used the quote function. I guess I could do it retroactively, but that seems sleazy.

I'll get you next time, Rick! If it's the last thing I ever do!

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The Packers win the division at 14-2. The Vikings are the only other team that finishes .500 in the division. The Bears finish 4-12.

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Are the Packers playing in the Arena league next year?

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I'd have no problem if thats what we are calling the North nowadays.

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Doesn't matter - cause I'm sure the Pack is smart enough to draft a position of need in the first round of the draft.....oh, wait. Nevermind, they're screwed!

Really high on the three headed QB monster of the Packers?

The Bears weren't as bad last year as their record indicated. The Packers will see a dropoff in record similar to what happened to the Bears.

There is no way the Bears only win 4 games next year. My worst case scenario is 6 games.

There is absolutely, positively no way that the Packers win 14 regular season games next year. Saints and Bears fans thought the same things after they both got to the NFC championship game. Things change greatly from year to year if you don't have a franchise QB. The Packers no longer do.

I'll take the Bears at 9-7 next year. You take the Packers at 14-2. We'll see who is closer to the truth.

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Bears 16-0

Grossman throws for 60 td passes

Booker catches 198 passes for 2300 yards

Urlacher is credited with every tackle for every game

Lance Briggs is named NFL dad of the year

Robbie Gould marries Jessica Simpson at half time of the super bowl which the bears win 61-0.

Not initially, but certainly after the coaches review the tape...

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Ive heard people refer to this before too. I dont get it. Aaron Rodgers is their QB. Im pretty confident he wont be as bad as Grossman, Orton, or Tarvaris Jackson.

I was kidding about the 14-2. Realistically right now I would say Packers win 11 games, Vikings win 8, Bears win 6 or 7, Lions win 6 or 7.

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I honestly don't know how you can say this. The Packers certainly wouldn't say that. He has almost no experience and the Packers drafted a QB in the second round. They've seen Aaron Rodgers for a few years and if they truly felt that he was going to be able to step in year one and play well they wouldn't have done it.

It's always good to have a backup plan but Brian Brohm is drafted by any organization to be a starter. I am sure the Packers had other needs in the second round.

There is no way the Packers are sold on Aaron Rodgers and I see no reason to think that he will be better than Grossman, Orton, or Jackson. At least all of those QB's have starting experience. Aaron Rodgers has sat the bench for a few years.

He may end up being good, but I doubt it happens right away. Just remember that there is a reason that he fell so far in the draft. He fell in a draft where Alex Smith was the #1 pick.

There are a lot more questions than answers when it comes to Aaron Rodgers.

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Umm....I thought they were worse than a 7-9 team.

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I've had this argument with FF many times, where I claim that Rodgers in a completely unknown quality at QB and you cannot predict what his skill level will be. He thinks I'm crazy.

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The reason I can say this is because he played decent in preseason, only played significant time in one regular season game and played very well in it, against the Cowboys. He's learned from the best QB of this generation for the past couple years.

I agree he's inexperienced, but I'd rather have someone who has showed promise and we dont know if he will be good or bad, then Grossman and Orton who we know suck. We've seen enough of them to know they arent good. So yeah, of course I'd rather have an unknown commodity then two known bad ones.

As for Brohm, right now its Rodgers job to lose. Its not going to be an open competition this season. There is absolutely no way Rodgers isnt your starter the first four weeks of the season if he's healthy. If he sucks, Brohm is at least an insurance plan for the future. If Rodgers is good and stays healthy, Brohm wont see the field.

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No I dont. I agree that he could be good or bad. But he's shown promise when given a chance. All Im saying is its tough for me to think he will be at worse than Grossman, Orton, or Tarvaris.

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I can understand some optimism, but playing well in the preseason against second and third teamers doesn't really translate. It's a good sign, but any first round QB should be able to beat cornerbacks who will be looking for a new line of work in a couple weeks.

As for playing well in one regular season game, I don't think that means anything anymore. The scouting of players and game planning against certain tendencies is one of the most underrated aspects to the game. It is no mystery why Rex Grossman was amazing for that 6 game stretch and then it all went downhill. Aaron Rodgers had the benefit of having 0 preparation from the defense. It would have been a waste of time with Favre in front of him who rarely ever missed a snap.

So far, Aaron Rodgers has done nothing in the NFL and the Packers believed so much in his ability that they wasted a pick in the most valuable round in the draft(money paid vs. production).

I am sure it is Rodgers job to lose. I think that the Packers do think he has potential. It is a sign though when the Packers talent evaluators decided that QB is your 2nd biggest priority in a draft where the QB's available were average at best.

The Bears have two QB's who have played bad. The Packers have two QB's who have never played. There is no reason to think that any of those 4 QB's currently are better set for future success. All of them are still unproven.

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Thats where we disagree. Grossman and Orton arent unproven. They've played alot over a couple years and clearly suck. Of course its reasonable to assume Rodgers is more likely to have future success then either of those guys.

As for drafting Brohm, tell me another position the Packers have thats more needed. They dont have alot of holes in their team. Maybe an OLB or a CB, but they got a CB pretty soon after in the Al Harris mold that they really like. They didnt have any glaring needs, unlike the beloved. Having two QBs that can play is a must in this day and age in the NFL. The Packers only had one they felt could. They needed another one. Backup QB was a priority and they got one, and he has potential to be a good starter if Rodgers isnt. Bears fans were calling for Brohm like 12 picks earlier. Some had him going in the first round, many had him rated higher than Flacco. So as for the value comment, he was exactly that. He was a great value pick.

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So you think Hillary already has presidential experience too?

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Comparing the careers up until now, they have all proven the exact same. None of them have shown that they are a capable NFL starting QB. There is evidence that Orton and Grossman never will be capable NFL starting QB's and there isn't any of that with Rodgers but none of them have shown anything. As for Orton playing a lot over the past couple years, I've made this argument before. He was thrown in as a rookie when he was drafted to hold a clipboard as the third stringer. I can't really hold the first season against him. I wouldn't really call what he played last year "alot".

I'll say it again just so I'm clear. I want to see Kyle Orton have a preseason where he is the #1 guy or at least taking the snaps competing to be the #1 guy. I think his odds of success are higher than Rex Grossman's to succeed but I still only give him a 50% chance of improving greatly enough to become a capable starting NFL QB. I don't see Rex Grossman improving any more with the Bears. He's been given the starting job in 5 straight seasons, 4 of which he had the preseason as the starting QB.

I think if you don't hold Orton's rookie season against him, where he should have been like Aaron Rodgers and holding a clipboard, you don't have enough information to make a final determination. I am the first to admit that if his play doesn't significantly improve that he is destined for a career backup.

Enjoy your Super Bowl championship this year in that case. The second biggest hole on the Packers team was backup QB. For a team that wants to win now, they drafted a player that won't see the field. I am not trying to act like I'm an expert on the Packers roster, but I highly doubt that the Packers are set at every position.
What team has two QB's that can play? Most teams don't have one. I don't think having two QBs is a must in the NFL. Take a look at the backups of the last few championship teams. Rex Grossman got to a Super Bowl and Eli Manning won one.

He was a good value, but it's a little high for a position if you think you are set with Aaron Rodgers. I guess since the Packers had no other holes to fill with a second round pick then it makes sense. I just didn't realize how deep the Packers are that no player would have helped them win this year more than a player who will sit the bench.

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You need two QB's to play in today's NFL. I think the exact stat was like 62 different QB's started a game last season or something like that. Thats all I really have to say about that.

As for you wanting Orton to have one chance at being the clear guy, well go ahead. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

As for mocking my statement of the Packers not having any glaring holes, Im still waiting for someone to point one out. Im not thrilled with their Safeties, but they certainly arent below average, and from what I understand there wasnt a really good one out there when they picked. I think Woodson and Harris have at least one more season of being very productive too.

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QB play is bad in the NFL. The best teams are the ones that have a great QB. No team can trace their success to having two good QB's. If Aaron Rodgers isn't good, then it was a great pick. If Aaron Rodgers is good, it was a bad pick. The Packers could have upgraded a position that would have made an impact next year since the Packers are trying to win now.


When has Orton ever been the guy in the preseason? His rookie year it was thrown on him when Chad Hutchinson sucked. Maybe it's because I was following Kyle Orton before he became a Bear, but it was fairly understood that he was going to be drafted by any team to sit for 3 or so years to work on problems with his game.


I'm not an expert on the Packers roster. I could do a google search and come up with something but that's pointless. I guess we'll find out next year who was right. I would guess that a team that has no holes would run away with the NFC and head to the Super Bowl. I am pretty sure that you could pick any team in the league, and find a player in the second round who could come in and play significant minutes.

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Well not runaway, but yes I consider them a favorite along with the Cowboys and Giants. It all depends on the QB position. Its the most important position in the NFL for a reason. If Rodgers is decent, they are going to win 12-13 games. If he is average they are gonna be average. If he sucks, they probably arent gonna break .500. Every other piece on their team is in place to put him in a position to be successful. I dont know who they would have drafted instead of Brohm at the 56 spot that would contribute very much next season. They werent going into the season looking to draft a starter at pretty much any position.

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I question the "it takes two QBs to win in the NFL" theory. Here's the championship teams of the past few years:

Giants (backup- Lorenzen)
Colts (Sorgi)
Steelers (Batch)
Pats (???)
Pats (???)
Bucs (Shaun King, Maybe?)
Pats (Bledsoe- OK, maybe there)

The teams they faced weren't much more prolific. The Bears barely had one QB. The Pats were toast if Brady was ever injured. Seneca Wallace blows. Who was backing up Delhomme or McNabb? To win in the NFL, you need one QB, and if you have to go with number two, you're fucked, unless your number one sucks anyway.

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