"College Athletes are slaves" - Dan McNeil (11/26 show) says he won't argue with someone who wants to use that choice of words.

Crazy?

Sane?

Discuss.

A slave can never leave, but these guys can quit the program if they want. They are more like unpaid interns.

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"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas

Depends on the sport, too. Some obviously are riskier than others, and some feature coaches who wield much more power over a student-athlete's life than other coaches do.

We either did this before or I'm having deja vu.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

In addition to that, actual slaves were often treated just a tad more harshly than collegiate athletes.

Keep my sports radio political free!!!

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If what Mac says is true:

what does it say about the moral integrity of a person who wagers on the outcomes of games where slaves play slaves in football?


this new 'woke' Mac steams more patent hypocrisy than a pile of horse shit ejected from a Hawethorne trotters horse's asshole on a cold cold day.

Mac, I love you, but you can't have it both ways here, embrace the opportunity that football gives kids
from the wrong side of the tracks, but don't call them slaves when you do "who do you love" every week and make your
salary on the backs of these 'slaves'

sometimes, you are so full of shit, you are popular because you have integrity, you are an open book;
the guy who preached toy department of the sports page and 'stick to sports,' starting this SJW bullshit will be your undoing.

just some 2 cents, hope you take it to heart, and tell your partner he is a rich asshole SJW north shore cuck, a more maleable Teinowicz without the sack.
At least Harry stood up to you, when you were out of your skull, this pussy would never do such things.

later
sabu

eat my ass

later
douchebag

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Always providing valuable contributions and deep insights.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I'm a net positive poster.

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Yup.

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This post started out with a great point but got pretty weird by the end.

I don't think this can be accurately labeled SJWism since it's been a pretty consistent sports radio topic for decades.

It's an absolutely ridiculous argument. The average wage earner especially the vast majority of hourly workers are far closer to slaves than scholarship athletes. Especially those in glamour sports. Football players are closer to people in high profile jobs. The idea that these are impoverished college kids who can't afford McDonald's is ridiculous. Are they exploited? Certainly. But so are entry level analysts at Goldman.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Is the word "slave" in this context charged and hyperbolic? Certainly. But I would have to believe- without having heard the segment- that his point wasn't to compare college football/basketball players to actual slaves, but merely to point out- correctly- that they are exploited and virtually unpaid labor (in spite of their "scholarships").

I expect BRick to show up momentarily to defend this abhorrent system. Boiler Up!

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They're contingent workers with shitty salaries. They can lose their scholarship or be chased off by a coach at any time. Why bother with the "slave" nonsense? We already have good terms to describe them.

Slave is a stupid way to phrase it that only hurts the logical arguments.

At a minimum, they should be able to make money off their likenesses and appearances. If I want to buy a $500 signed poster of Rondale Moore why shouldn't I be able to?

They also should get a standardized rate for football related activities, but it would pale in comparison to the first thing I mentioned.

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I would argue that the entire system of big time college sports is an abomination and has no place within a system of higher education. And I say that as a person who would miss watching college hoops.

For some perspective, Lovie Smith is the highest paid state employee in Illinois.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I would guess that there is fairly large black market for what you describe already. It's certainly past time to just allow this, and to quit with the idea that these are amateurs and just college students who happen to play a sport.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I would say that the issue is that not enough big time college sports programs are self sufficient.

I don't have a problem with that as long as it can be justified. If ticket sales + alumni choosing to donate can cover those costs and want to then go ahead.

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There are no educational benefits to universities operating what amount to professional (though unpaid) football teams. The main "benefits" are television programming/advertising.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Well, there is no educational benefit to having a workout facility and pool for the students either but they still have them.

It's another recreational activity for students. It's also used heavily for fundraising on both the athletic and academic side.

To put it another way, if there was no benefit to the university then schools would go the University Of Chicago route and put that money into libraries.

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Harry Teinowitz used to treat the interns worse than a coach treats a college football player and Dan did nothing to change the situation. He could have been a conductor on the radio intern underground railroad and shepherded those poor souls to freedom at the score where they would be treated like seasonal migrant produce pickers rather than slaves

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Is the kid getting a scholarship at East Carolina getting the better or worse end of the deal versus the school?

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Great point, schools like University of Chicago are doing it wrong. We need fewer University of Chicagos and more Clemson Universities.

Plenty of quality schools found a way to still be a quality school with athletics.

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This has mostly been disproved in that when a University's athletic program does well it does increase fundraising for, wait for it, wait for it, that same athletic program.

When someone is going to donate 10mm bucks to the State University College of Nursing, they tend not to give any fucks if the football team went to the shit.com bowl that year.


Beer and Circus is still a great read and hold up in a lot of respects even almost 20 years later.

That wasn't what I said. It doesn't have to do with minor bowl games. It has to do with getting people back on campus and the connection to the University. Every home game at Purdue they are honoring a long time donor on the field. They have special alumni events built around those fall weekends. It's also one of the primary things that keeps a connection to the school after graduation. I have not been back to Purdue for a non-football event since I graduated. I can't imagine I would make many special trips there.

Are you going to be disingenuous this whole thread?

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Nothing you posted above would change if the head coach made 250k, the players got paid a salary and were given the legal protections of being employees, the schedule was reduced to 10 games, and the athletic facilities didn't consume hundreds of millions of dollars in capital improvements each decade.

You can't have it both ways, either the money spent to chase "success" matters and that is why institutions of higher learning spend billions of dollars annually on minor league football, or "success" doesn't matter and said institution of higher learning can provide a cheap, safe, and ethical athletic program that fosters and enriches the educational experience of the participants in the program, the students not participating, and the alumni and receive the same ancillary benefits as a program spending stupid amounts of money.

Not for nothing, but the reason you don't go back to Purdue all that often is that West Lafayette is a shithole.

Any student going to East Carolina is getting a shitty deal...

Worse. He is likely getting CTE without graduating.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don