No issue with what Boylen is doing.

It's on Boylen too. This guy seems like a transparent egotistical hardass with absolutely nothing to back it up. The 3rd quarter pulling of the starters had basically no justification outside of an ego trip. His entire philosophy, along with the latest one propagated by the front office, seems to be suffering from the delusion that the problem with this team is effort rather than talent.

On the plus side though, his desperate appeals to authority and history complement Pax's quite nicely. He coached with Pop just like Pax played with Mike, which definitely means both know how to win and should never be questioned.

I really don't get some of you guys saying you're fine with what Boylen's doing. There's no justification for the second pulling of the starters last night and LaVine who's been busting his ass all season is completely in the right for being pissed about it. Just cause Boylen's talking tough doesn't really mean anything and I say that as a founding member of the Hoiberg Hater Club.

I really don't get some of you guys saying you're fine with what Boylen's doing. There's no justification for the second pulling of the starters last night and LaVine who's been busting his ass all season is completely in the right for being pissed about it. Just cause Boylen's talking tough doesn't really mean anything and I say that as a founding member of the Hoiberg Hater Club.

I'm not sure I've see Lavine "busting his ass?"

You have to change the culture and there can't be exceptions.

There's "changing the culture" and then there's engaging in old school cliched bullshit to "send a message." The second stringers last night quit far more in terms of effort than the benched starters did (interesting he did seem to make an exception there), which is why coach message sending hardass just provided the team with their worst loss in franchise history.

A team's starters are supposed to show the way. If the organization has lost the guys you've just paid a combined hundred million dollars too...why is Shaq Harrison going to play defense?

The starters had been outscored by a whopping 5-3 margin on the second half when Boylen decided to throw in the towel for the night.

The starters had been outscored by a whopping 5-3 margin on the second half when Boylen decided to throw in the towel for the night.

Oh my couple of CSFMB Gods ..Portland drafted Sam are they still a franchise??? Great question...morons

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

We know the five man thing was weird but the dysfunction and turmoil is much much larger than a single instance of benching the starters.

You don't know what they said or did that was insubordinate. We're all making assumptions. The one thing we don't need to guess on is that Lavine and Parker are tools. I actually wanted Parker early in the offseason. I was an idiot. His interview on ESPN 1000 before training camp was appalling. No wonder he has never realized his potential.

I'm not sure though there's any kind of player meeting or pushback today without Boylen's bush league move last night.
I was against the signing too but it's important to note that Parker's laziness resulted in him being benched for the majority of the season under the ostensibly laissez-faire Fred. And I can't really think of anyone else showing a special lack of effort aside from him.

I'm not sure though there's any kind of player meeting or pushback today without Boylen's bush league move last night.
I was against the signing too but it's important to note that Parker's laziness resulted in him being benched for the majority of the season under the ostensibly laissez-faire Fred. And I can't really think of anyone else showing a special lack of effort aside from him.

It was sarcasm asshat.

I'd laugh so hard if Boylen yanked 5 guys out tonight

The move is not to start them

No issue with what Boylen is doing.

Neither do I. But the NBA clipped its nuts years ago and the Bulls either dont accept that or refuse to.

Paxson said it perfectly. For young players your coach used to be everything. Discipline was a value. This current NBA, which is an utter joke, is really a perfect example of our current society as a whole. We have lost so much of our value system and morality. We create nothing but narcissists who even when rich, scream about being taken advantage of by the robber barons. There is very little chance of reversing course on that. The NBA's best years are behind it. The Western world's might be too.

Neither do I. But the NBA clipped its nuts years ago and the Bulls either dont accept that or refuse to.

Paxson said it perfectly. For young players your coach used to be everything. Discipline was a value. This current NBA, which is an utter joke, is really a perfect example of our current society as a whole. We have lost so much of our value system and morality. We create nothing but narcissists who even when rich, scream about being taken advantage of by the robber barons. There is very little chance of reversing course on that. The NBA's best years are behind it. The Western world's might be too.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Ute players at that time were treating Boylen's program like an exploding oil tanker, a third of the team jumping ship for destinations from Lubbock to Las Cruces and … well, dry land anywhere. Utah was coming off a 14-17 season in which it lost at home to college basketball powers such as Idaho and Seattle — which wasn't as bad as losses in the previous season to Southwest Baptist and Idaho State — and on the road to Weber State and Pepperdine. Just as bad, for the second time in Boylen's three seasons at the helm, the Utes won just seven Mountain West Conference games and lost nine.

"We need toughness," he said, as he swallowed his toast. "We need players."

What the Utes really needed was a better coach.

The stability the Utes sought never arrived.

They were up, they were down, they were all around.

Boylen's emotions were a reflection of his uneven results — or was it the other way around? — and sometimes revealed his misplaced focus. Who can forget the coach's reaction a couple of seasons back when Wyoming scored on an alley-oop dunk in the final seconds of its eight-point win. Boylen went berserk right there on the court, confronting then-Cowboy coach Heath Schroyer, scorching into a profanity-filled tirade and still boiling days later.

He considered the dunk "classless," saying: "We'll see them again. … That's what's great about league play. But, you know, we're going to run our program with class and we're going to do it right."

Nothing said class quite like an F-bomb-filled public outburst.

Meanwhile, the Utes were sagging in the conference. It seemed as though that's what Boylen should have been more concerned with, not the shenanigans of another coach, another outfit.

But that was often his way at Utah, to hit problems over the head with a blunt object, to bludgeon them into submission. Boylen is a nice man, a good guy, a decent human being, but, as a coach, even with his enthusiasm and after all those years as an assistant in the NBA and at Michigan State, he couldn't get past the sledgehammer approach. Maybe that was born out of his football background, a game he played in high school. Jim's father was a linebacker at MSU and also a boxer, a Golden Gloves state champion, so his approach to basketball came honestly.

Still, it wasn't always the most effective way, and that also was reflected in the win-loss record.