So that's that? One week in, and it's time to bury him?

Why do I get the feeling that there's an underlying agenda to label this guy with "toxic masculinity"?

What is this post? Please kind sir, do not bring politics into my sports.

The main reasons to dislike Boylen are that he was appointed by GarPax, he attempts to bury the players and make himself look good at every press conference, and his only strategies for player improvement look like meathead garbage more appropriate for a junior high gym.

Not sure how anyone can defend Boylen thus far. Nice attempt though Nardi.

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Jim Boylen as toxic masculinity and the NBA as harbinger for the death of all western civilization. What a day.

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By all accounts he has been bad. I can't give you a list of the next great NBA coaches though. Something between this guy and a complete do nothing let the players recreate is a large span.

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They shouldn't have fired Hoiberg unless they had his replacement in mind. They definitely shouldn't have hired this guy without attaching an interim tag to him. He isn't an established NBA or college coach and his greatest claim to fame is that he was an assistant under Popovich. He sure does like to let the world know that it appears. Don't like his defensive strategies and the "five out" thing was just dumb. Placing Jabari on the bench was another stupid move. Justin Holiday is a journeyman and a bum. The team became more competitive once Jabari was inserted into the starting lineup. He like Hoiberg weren't the primary problems on the team.

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Could you PLEASE stop making up things.

The Bulls were 3-14 with Jabari starting, and 3-8 without him starting. In the games he started, their average loss deficit is double digits with MANY games being 20-30 point losses. Same loss margin when it comes off the bench.

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Do you even know what the word "competitive means"?. The Bulls became more competitive and I would need to see what your "same loss numbers" look like before simply taking your word for it. They were more competitive. They had a number of close games with him in the starting lineup and it was apparent than aside from Lavine he was the only guy that could get you a bucket. He also was the only guy that would hit the glass too.

You make up too much garbage for me to take anything you say at face value. He was avg 19 and 9 over 10 or so game stretch. Look it up and get back at me. He also was shooting a pretty good percentage from 3 and the field. Again look it up.

He is infinitely much better at basketball than is Justin Holiday. Why would I ever take the word of the guy who thought "Arch" was the team's best player? How is that one working out for you?

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Bulls had 10 games (beginning with Denver) decided by 10 points or less. 6 games Starting with Denver that were decided by 10 points or greater after Jabari became a starter.


First 7 games of the season Jabari was in a reserve role. Team was blown out in 3 of the first 7 games. Again never actually allow the facts to get in the way of a dynamite message board narrative. Also blown out during the past 2 games with him in a reserve role. He made them a better team.

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If you don't understand why they didn't assign an interim tag to Boylen then that just further confirms your understanding of the NBA is limited to on the court action.

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Enlighten us

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Rather than be a contrarian then explain why the tag wasn't applied. If you think that it will make guys play harder then it demonstrates that your knowledge pertains to just about nothing.

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My guess is he's gonna say it's because GarPax are completely incompetent which, yeah that's fair, but I also don't really consider that a valid reason for not understanding why he wasn't given the tag.

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Yeah its not like making him interim renders them to be any less competent. They just fired Hoiberg and replaced him with a bumbling idiot it appears. Might be the basketball equivalent of Terry Bevington.

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Ouch babe. That's a low blow. Can't wait for the Boylen malaprops.

He might be. They have something now called a "leadership committee". Players said that it was Boylen's idea.

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Its very simple, Gar Foreman can't spell "interim"

Basically Mirotic kept the Bulls from getting a top 5 pick last year. It's better to be without Fred because the Bulls need to lose as many games as possible to get the no. 1 pick.

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It's been mentioned in several articles that he's the guy because they're not gonna pay head coaching salaries for two people (Hoiberg and his successor). Right now Boylen is making assistant coach money and it's not clear if/when he'll get a raise. It's a purely financial thing.

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If that’s actually true then they will get rid of him in the offseason and bring in a new coach.

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Every assistant coach that moves up to take over the job, interim or not, usually gets a decent pay bump. Not Hoiberg money, but a small head coaching salary.

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Why pay two salaries. Hoiberg is at like 5M per year.

By salaries I mean mid to high level salaries. They'll go discount if they don't keep Boylen. If they keep Boylen, they'll give him a raise to IMU's point, but maybe max that at like 1.5M to minimize the cost. Either way you're not getting a well known coach who can right the ship. You're shopping at the dollar store.

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Fuck it. Just give the job to Doug Collins. No coach worth anything is going to want to come to this shitshow.

The only goal of the season is to lose as many games as possible.

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There’s almost certainly not a well known coach who can right the ship available so it’s a moot point.

Buy Boylen’s very clearly is in way over his head. For all intents and purposes he’s an interim. Coach salary isn’t important either. Get someone who hasn’t had the job before and give him a cheap deal and move on if he sucks. But then that obviously leads back to GarPax being the main problem. It’s a pretty rare thing for a FO to hire six different coaches in 15 years without ever reaching the championship game/series, let alone winning it.

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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability. They'll have to gamble on yet another youngish coach after failing miserably with Del Negro and Hoiberg. They're priced out of getting guys who justifiably command at least $4M a year. They are back in the post Cartwright phase where you have a team with some decent pieces but no identity and no direction. At that time they hired Skiles who did indeed create an identity and pointed them in the right direction. They need another person to do that. And yes this means we're back where Paxson started 16 years ago.

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Apparently you don't have a clue as to how front offices work. If it were purely about money (as you imply) then that would be all the more reason for them to apply the interim tag to him. If they make him the interim coach for the rest of the year then they wouldn't have to pay him as much as they would if he were declared the coach through next season.

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He's the permanent HC and is making assistant coach money. He will be among the lowest paid HCs next year, if not the lowest. It's about money.

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He may not make it through next season and at some point they will have to renegotiate his salary. If he were an interim head coach they wouldn't really have to as he'd essentially be trying out for the job.

If they keep him through next season then i'd agree its about money but i don't think there is any chance that this happens. You don't fire Hoiberg and bring in a worse coach. Its dumb and if its done simply to save money then thats even dumber.

It reeks of incompetence. I honestly think they made the move because they believe that this guy is a good coach. Its why they timed it to coincide with the return of all of their injured players.

Making it purely about money is too convenient.

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