Saw this one coming a mile away

As noted by Brad Rowland, the 20-year-old ranks last overall among all qualified NBA players in ESPN’s Real Defensive Plus-Minus ratings. While he was never expected to be a superb defender, his current performance so far this season has left a lot to be desired.

Young was not selected by the Hawks as a player who would be a defensive threat, especially this early in his career. But this statistic, designed to show exactly how well or poor he has been guarding opposition, is concerning (via ESPN):

“Drawing on advanced statistical modeling techniques (and the analytical wizardry of RPM developer Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns), the metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player.”

Players that Young has defended are shooting 5.9 percentage points better when he has guarded them compared to their effectiveness on other attempts this season. Only five players who have seen the court as often as Young are contesting fewer shots per 36 minutes than the rookie guard.



Young knows his defense will need to improve but there are larger reasons to be concerned. Rowland notes that Young ranks No. 175 among all players in Offensive Real Plus-Minus, comparable with 2017 NBA lottery pick Dennis Smith Jr. as well as 2018 first overall pick Deandre Ayton.

But it’s not like his offensive game has been particularly effective thus far, either. He has scored 0.781 points per possession for the Hawks. This ranks last overall (minimum: 200 possessions) among high-volume contributors in the NBA.

While he has been an effective spot-up shooter, there has not been much else he has done well on a consistent basis since entering the league. He is still a very young player, however, with plenty of room to develop.

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I watched the first half of Hawks/Heat, and I can't really identify 4 players on the Hawks better than Trae.

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John Collins.
Jeremy Lin
Ken Bazemore.
Taurean Prince. All better players.

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John Collins.
Jeremy Lin
Ken Bazemore.
Taurean Prince. All better players.

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Wrong

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Wrong

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Sure I am. You only seem to come around when you think he is playing "decently". Means you only come around about every 9 games or so.

How you know whose better? You don't watch the games remember.

You're a blogosphere bloviator

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I'm a big fan of Real Plus Minus. You poo-pooed it when I pointed out Butler being a top 8 player the last 2 years.
Young's defense is as bad as it gets and Real p/m proves it. I disagree he hasn't done much well. Great vision, very good passer. Tonight makes it 2 games in a row he's on the plus side with box plus minus.

Twitter getting cray-cray with Fultz to Bulls trade talk. Blakeney can't be traded until mid-December anyhow. Would be the right time to buy-in on Fultz; his perceived value at what's likely the nadir for his career.

Ben Simmons 7.9 APG
Trae Young 7.8 APG

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

What makes you think GarPax would give up Blakeney for him?

Drugs? That's who makes some sense for the Sixers to want (shooting) and Bulls to trade. Bulls have time for Fultz to work through his shooting issues. Sixers do not. No idea if Garpax would trade an undrafted 2nd year player for a former #1. Sixers might want a 2nd round pick thrown in. Bulls should balk at including the pick, esp since it's likely to be v early 2nd round. Bulls doing the Sixers a solid taking Fultz broken shot off their hands and replacing it with one of the best corner 3 shooters in the game this season.

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76ers' Markelle Fultz has thoracic outlet syndrome, to miss 3-6 weeks

ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI
ESPN
7:49 PM ET2 Minute Read
Philadelphia 76ers guard Markelle Fultz is expected to miss three to six weeks to undergo rehabilitation on his right shoulder, league sources told ESPN on Tuesday.


Fultz, the No 1 overall pick in the 2017 NBA draft, has been diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome, his attorney/agent Raymond Brothers and the 76ers said Tuesday.

The condition will be treated with physical therapy. Brothers said Fultz will do his rehab in Los Angeles.

On the advice of Brothers, Fultz visited with approximately 10 specialists over the past week or so, consultations that resulted with them bringing this diagnosis back to the organization. Brothers told ESPN that thoracic outlet syndrome "affects nerves between the neck and shoulder resulting in abnormal functional movement and range of motion, thus severely limiting Markelle's ability to shoot a basketball."

There was a Sixers medical team member on each of the visits to the specialists, Brothers said.

Fultz, 20, has seen many specialists in the past year, beyond his care with the 76ers training staff.

Brothers informed the Sixers on Nov. 21 that7 Fultz would seek further opinions on his shoulder before a return to the court -- a decision that the organization has left to Fultz and his management team.

Fultz has lost the ability to carry out and follow through on long jump shots, and there's been internal and external debate about how much of this perplexing circumstance is physical vs. mental.

"People were saying it was a mental problem and it is not," Brothers told ESPN on Tuesday night. "There's no way you're the No. 1 pick in the world and all of a sudden you aren't able to consistently raise your arms to shoot a basketball. Something is physically wrong. Now we have the answer to that problem."

Before Fultz stepped away on Nov. 21, it appeared backup guard T.J. McConnell would be taking over a majority of Fultz's minutes.

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Fultz is like a 45 year old wife that feels like she's lost a step. Keep visiting doctors until one tells her she may be experiencing midlife malaise.

When something is wrong, it doesn't take a visit to 10 specialists to get a diagnosis.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

What if all 10 provided him with the same diagnosis?

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Yep. http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phi ... phia-76ers

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Kevin McHale calling Fultz a pussy on NBATV and questioning the diagnosis.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

When i want medical expertise I consult Kevin McHale too. He didn't refer to him as a pussy. You're lying about that.

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Called him too mentally soft for the NBA and that the NBA "isn't for everyone." It is a "tough" league.

http://www.nba.com/video/2018/12/04/201 ... -diagnosed

Kevin McHale is not allowed to use the exact word "pussy" on air. But the English language is amazing and allows us to call someone a pussy without using the term pussy.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Damn, at least in my field when I go diagnosis shopping I limit it to one well compensated physician.


This is such transparent BS, only an idiot would buy into this obvious narrative.

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Yeah but i grew in a time when you didn't question whether a guy is hurt or not.


I notice you didn't bother to question your guy Jimmy "Alpha Dog" Butler when his gutless ass chose to sit out games earlier this year. Nor did you question him when he backed out of the All Star game last season.

Where is the consistency?

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I knew you were older than me, but I figured you weren't born before the invent of modern medicine.

Jimmy Butler can play basketball professionally, and has no problem being the guy that takes shots. He isn't scared to play like Fultz. Why would I question his injury?

Fultz is like the kid in class that is too scared to give his presentation in front of the class, so he asks the teacher to go last and then has mommy call him in sick that day.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Fuck you, Kevin McHale. Get back down low with the rest of the galoots, swap some sweat, and stick your face in some armpits.

All of his ex-teammates agree.

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He is on his way that's for sure. Bust. Book it!

Trae Young has -1.0 win shares this year and is roughly on pace for -2.5 in the season.

If he did that, it would be the second worst season in NBA history by WS http://bkref.com/tiny/6EYWo

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/281 ... g-national

LOL

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

c-c-c-c-rrazzy.


so apparently Fultzs mom installed surveillance cameras inside his house so she could keep tabs on him and she also made anyone who talked to him sign a non-disclosure agreement, didn't matter what they even talked about.




edit: just saw IMU posted about this.

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There's never been a basketball player ever who's had Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Most likely caused by Fultz' accident. 75% of the rehab he's doing now, he was doing before. Kid may be cooked.

"Thoracic outlet syndrome symptoms can vary, depending on which structures are compressed. When nerves are compressed, signs and symptoms of neurological thoracic outlet syndrome include:

Muscle wasting in the fleshy base of your thumb (Gilliatt-Sumner hand)
Numbness or tingling in your arm or fingers
Pain or aches in your neck, shoulder or hand
Weakening grip
Signs and symptoms of vascular thoracic outlet syndrome can include:

Discoloration of your hand (bluish color)
Arm pain and swelling, possibly due to blood clots
Blood clot in veins or arteries in the upper area of your body
Lack of color (pallor) in one or more of your fingers or your entire hand
Weak or no pulse in the affected arm
Cold fingers, hands or arms
Arm fatigue with activity
Numbness or tingling in your fingers
Weakness of arm or neck"

yea, but if you actually believe he has that injury I have a bridge to sell you as the saying goes.


Additionally, the people who truly suffer from that injury usually have to have a surgery to remove a rib. Hardly something that is fixed with 3-6 weeks of PT as Fultz's agent would have us believe, especially considering all the shoulder PT he has already had in the past 1.5 years.

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