Grossman destroyed Brees when it mattered most. Never forget!
Besides everyone can't luck into a Payton and Brees combo. It took Brees a few years to figure it out too. I would love to have Mahomes now but I'm still optimistic about Nagy and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

He certainly can't improve.

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This isn’t true. Tho, he did resort to that after a couple weeks off from an injury.


Context matters here, and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn’t have a lot of playing experience, and he’s in the 1st year of a new offense with new receivers around him (and only his 2nd year in the league). I think in that context -looking at the entire season he’s had- ‘solid’ isn’t the worst description for him. However, inconsistent is fair too I suppose. I feel like this is a topic that will be easier to call by this time next year. Right now you could technically argue either side of this and not be entirely wrong.


But saying he’s a solid starter right now, isn’t a completely way off base analysis.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

These negative ninnies are pathetic. To listen to them, a guy who barely played in college and his first year in the pros is unable to improve. I don't know what gives with these people? Can they remember how lousy virtually every other Bear's quarterback has been since Jim McMahon? Maybe they are so angry at the Bear's organization that they cannot think objectively any more.

In that Rams game, Mitch had a bad game but it was not because he wasn't reading the defenses properly as some on this board allege. His problem was purely mechanical. He was getting under the ball and overthrowing his open receivers. Clearly a sign that the lay-off because of his shoulder hurt him.

All that I know is that the Bears are 9-4 with a very young developing quarterback at the helm. They would be lucky to be 7-6 or 6-7 with an average quarterback on the team. His legs are special and I think that his teammates love him as their quarterback because they know that he is selling out for them and values their play around him.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Also.. I think it’s unfair to judge (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky on a traditional scale for a QB here. How he runs the RPO -when to pitch it, when to keep it.. and so on -that matters too in judging him and how his season has been so far. How many times did he make the correct call in those situations? He isn’t a traditional pocket passer, and this offense isn’t set up for one either. So looking at it correctly would mean taking that into account as well. He’s supposed to make plays with his feet too, and he does. And he’s already one of the best in the NFL at doing that (for a QB)


Adding that detail in, makes the ‘solid QB’ assessment even more appropriate, imo anyway.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I think I am done with Hampton and OB. I flipped on the show at halftime of the 3pm game and all they could talk about was how bad (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is, despite it being the day they won the division AND (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky having a good game.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

The problem with this analysis is that running QBs don't typically have a long shelf life in the NFL. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is going to be a long-term starter, he will need to significantly improve his reading ability. And yes, he mostly is a one (read) and done QB.

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That's an asshat comment, Frank. Did you read the rest of the thread?

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They're terrible. Their only shtick is being angry and that's hard to do when the team is as good as they are.

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I like Mitch and I think they can win with him. He is destined to be underappreciated in this town.

However, they should ALWAYS be looking to draft his replacement. I want to have backups that will make the decision about his second contract very difficult

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Agreed. This was the Packers' philosophy when they were actually a well-run organization, and I think it is a prudent strategy.

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I knew O'Bradovich as an asshole from a long time back, all the way back to when he was a rookie with the Bears. Met him a few times over the years and couldn't stand the prick. What is Hampton's problem, though? Does he let himself get dragged down by O'B?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Um......Rodgers doesn't run? Big Ben ever run? Steve Young? Terry Bradshaw? Fran Tarkington? How about the qbs for the Colts, Seahawks, Tennessee, the Chiefs, and Houston.

Also, wonder if an immobile quarterback like Jared Goff is no going to be the poster child for the new NFL, you might want to have him clean up his britches because he literally shit his pants in his last two football games which his inability to escape a decent pass rush.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Mitch ended up as the 3rd best QB in the league this year....




2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Patrick Mahomes, KC 77.2 101.0 11.7 3.2 126.0 722 82.0 81.6
2 Drew Brees, NO 60.1 80.2 5.4 6.2 100.5 562 81.9 80.8
3 Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, CHI 39.3 43.1 22.1 3.8 80.3 565 72.8 72.8
4 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 53.5 89.3 8.7 5.1 113.5 762 73.0 71.8
5 Andrew Luck, IND 48.1 84.4 5.0 4.3 103.0 741 71.5 71.7
6 Tom Brady, NE 35.9 63.6 4.4 4.7 82.6 643 68.8 70.6
7 Philip Rivers, LAC 38.1 65.8 -0.9 1.3 79.1 595 71.2 70.2
8 Jameis Winston, TB 32.0 37.8 10.8 5.4 65.6 485 71.8 68.6
9 Matt Ryan, ATL 44.8 60.2 7.4 4.9 92.9 722 70.6 68.2
10 Jared Goff, LAR 29.9 60.8 0.6 4.4 79.9 665 65.4 66.4
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
11 Russell Wilson, SEA 25.1 32.0 11.0 2.6 69.0 571 65.1 65.6
12 Carson Wentz, PHI 21.2 39.8 1.8 3.1 58.5 488 64.9 64.2
13 Deshaun Watson, HOU 26.4 31.8 17.0 3.8 79.5 702 63.0 63.8
14 Kirk Cousins, MIN 21.8 57.3 -5.1 2.2 71.8 718 60.6 62.0
15 Andy Dalton, CIN 18.4 35.4 2.0 3.4 50.6 433 64.6 61.9
16 Aaron Rodgers, GB 14.3 25.1 17.8 3.2 70.0 737 56.8 60.6
17 Dak Prescott, DAL 17.1 35.1 12.2 2.1 71.7 693 58.6 57.8
18 Joe Flacco, BAL 11.0 30.1 2.9 4.6 43.4 441 58.7 57.4
19 Cam Newton, CAR 13.3 41.7 8.4 0.0 62.6 629 57.4 55.9
20 Marcus Mariota, TEN 4.1 14.6 6.7 4.8 42.2 471 53.1 55.5
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
21 Nick Mullens, SF 5.9 23.6 -2.8 1.8 29.0 334 56.2 54.9
22 Matthew Stafford, DET 1.7 25.8 4.2 4.2 49.2 647 50.9 54.0
23 Baker Mayfield, CLE 9.4 34.8 0.9 3.6 51.5 580 55.7 53.9
24 Josh Allen, BUF 2.9 -1.8 24.1 3.5 35.6 461 52.3 52.0
25 Eli Manning, NYG 2.3 30.2 2.0 2.4 54.8 684 51.2 51.8
26 Alex Smith, WSH 4.6 17.8 5.5 2.9 35.0 422 53.8 49.3
27 Derek Carr, OAK -1.2 27.3 2.5 0.2 50.8 669 49.3 48.9
28 Sam Darnold, NYJ -3.0 23.5 3.3 -1.1 36.6 510 47.9 48.4
29 Case Keenum, DEN -4.0 26.9 4.2 3.5 50.6 685 47.9 46.9
30 Blake Bortles, JAX -8.6 9.3 11.6 -1.6 30.5 515 44.1 45.7
RK PLAYER PTS ADDED PASS RUN PENALTY TOTAL EPA QB PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
31 Lamar Jackson, BAL -1.2 6.6 13.8 0.4 27.7 338 48.7 45.2
32 Ryan Tannehill, MIA -18.0 -6.3 3.6 0.8 13.4 363 33.1 35.0
33 Josh Rosen, ARI -35.3 -13.6 3.3 1.2 7.9 491 26.6 26.1