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There's never been a basketball player ever who's had Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Most likely caused by Fultz' accident. 75% of the rehab he's doing now, he was doing before. Kid may be cooked.

"Thoracic outlet syndrome symptoms can vary, depending on which structures are compressed. When nerves are compressed, signs and symptoms of neurological thoracic outlet syndrome include:

Muscle wasting in the fleshy base of your thumb (Gilliatt-Sumner hand)
Numbness or tingling in your arm or fingers
Pain or aches in your neck, shoulder or hand
Weakening grip
Signs and symptoms of vascular thoracic outlet syndrome can include:

Discoloration of your hand (bluish color)
Arm pain and swelling, possibly due to blood clots
Blood clot in veins or arteries in the upper area of your body
Lack of color (pallor) in one or more of your fingers or your entire hand
Weak or no pulse in the affected arm
Cold fingers, hands or arms
Arm fatigue with activity
Numbness or tingling in your fingers
Weakness of arm or neck"


yea, but if you actually believe he has that injury I have a bridge to sell you as the saying goes.


Additionally, the people who truly suffer from that injury usually have to have a surgery to remove a rib. Hardly something that is fixed with 3-6 weeks of PT as Fultz's agent would have us believe, especially considering all the shoulder PT he has already had in the past 1.5 years.

So his mom is crazy and he had the yips at the FT line, that makes his injury bogus? Surgery is the last dangerous option according to my readings. It's done when tissue is DYING.


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There's never been a basketball player ever who's had Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Most likely caused by Fultz' accident. 75% of the rehab he's doing now, he was doing before. Kid may be cooked.

"Thoracic outlet syndrome symptoms can vary, depending on which structures are compressed. When nerves are compressed, signs and symptoms of neurological thoracic outlet syndrome include:

Muscle wasting in the fleshy base of your thumb (Gilliatt-Sumner hand)
Numbness or tingling in your arm or fingers
Pain or aches in your neck, shoulder or hand
Weakening grip
Signs and symptoms of vascular thoracic outlet syndrome can include:

Discoloration of your hand (bluish color)
Arm pain and swelling, possibly due to blood clots
Blood clot in veins or arteries in the upper area of your body
Lack of color (pallor) in one or more of your fingers or your entire hand
Weak or no pulse in the affected arm
Cold fingers, hands or arms
Arm fatigue with activity
Numbness or tingling in your fingers
Weakness of arm or neck"


yea, but if you actually believe he has that injury I have a bridge to sell you as the saying goes.


Additionally, the people who truly suffer from that injury usually have to have a surgery to remove a rib. Hardly something that is fixed with 3-6 weeks of PT as Fultz's agent would have us believe, especially considering all the shoulder PT he has already had in the past 1.5 years.

So his mom is crazy and he had the yips at the FT line, that makes his injury bogus? Surgery is the last dangerous option according to my readings. It's done when tissue is DYING.


The injury is bogus because it was never diagnosed until his agent went diagnosis shopping and had Makelle visit 10 different specialists before finding someone who would give him a diagnosis he liked.


The injury is bogus because it only affects him during certain shots. He can shoot a layup just fine and has no issue with some mid range jumpers, but put him on the foul line and all of the sudden he can't lift his arm over his shoulder? Clearly all in his head.


And lastly, the injury is bogus because if he really had this injury and it was so severe he couldn't shoot a ball for over a year then he would most definitley need surgery. No one suffers for that long without something being seriously wrong internally. Docs have already stated that he needs no surgery and only 3-6 weeks of PT.


I'd bet a mortgage payment that after those 3-6 weeks are up Fultz's agent comes up with a new reason why he still can't get out of street clothes.

Don't fall for the obvious BS narrative, their just taking advantage of most people's innner belief that you shouldn't question someone when they say they are injured.

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There's never been a basketball player ever who's had Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Most likely caused by Fultz' accident. 75% of the rehab he's doing now, he was doing before. Kid may be cooked.

"Thoracic outlet syndrome symptoms can vary, depending on which structures are compressed. When nerves are compressed, signs and symptoms of neurological thoracic outlet syndrome include:

Muscle wasting in the fleshy base of your thumb (Gilliatt-Sumner hand)
Numbness or tingling in your arm or fingers
Pain or aches in your neck, shoulder or hand
Weakening grip
Signs and symptoms of vascular thoracic outlet syndrome can include:

Discoloration of your hand (bluish color)
Arm pain and swelling, possibly due to blood clots
Blood clot in veins or arteries in the upper area of your body
Lack of color (pallor) in one or more of your fingers or your entire hand
Weak or no pulse in the affected arm
Cold fingers, hands or arms
Arm fatigue with activity
Numbness or tingling in your fingers
Weakness of arm or neck"


yea, but if you actually believe he has that injury I have a bridge to sell you as the saying goes.


Additionally, the people who truly suffer from that injury usually have to have a surgery to remove a rib. Hardly something that is fixed with 3-6 weeks of PT as Fultz's agent would have us believe, especially considering all the shoulder PT he has already had in the past 1.5 years.

So his mom is crazy and he had the yips at the FT line, that makes his injury bogus? Surgery is the last dangerous option according to my readings. It's done when tissue is DYING.


The injury is bogus because it was never diagnosed until his agent went diagnosis shopping and had Makelle visit 10 different specialists before finding someone who would give him a diagnosis he liked.


The injury is bogus because it only affects him during certain shots. He can shoot a layup just fine and has no issue with some mid range jumpers, but put him on the foul line and all of the sudden he can't lift his arm over his shoulder? Clearly all in his head.


And lastly, the injury is bogus because if he really had this injury and it was so severe he couldn't shoot a ball for over a year then he would most definitley need surgery. No one suffers for that long without something being seriously wrong internally. Docs have already stated that he needs no surgery and only 3-6 weeks of PT.


I'd bet a mortgage payment that after those 3-6 weeks are up Fultz's agent comes up with a new reason why he still can't get out of street clothes.

Don't fall for the obvious BS narrative, their just taking advantage of most people's innner belief that you shouldn't question someone when they say they are injured.

It's very possible the injury had a strong hand in causing the yips. It's very possible this a complicated matter. It doesn't have to be a binary situation. As usual, time will be the truth teller.


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There's never been a basketball player ever who's had Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Most likely caused by Fultz' accident. 75% of the rehab he's doing now, he was doing before. Kid may be cooked.

"Thoracic outlet syndrome symptoms can vary, depending on which structures are compressed. When nerves are compressed, signs and symptoms of neurological thoracic outlet syndrome include:

Muscle wasting in the fleshy base of your thumb (Gilliatt-Sumner hand)
Numbness or tingling in your arm or fingers
Pain or aches in your neck, shoulder or hand
Weakening grip
Signs and symptoms of vascular thoracic outlet syndrome can include:

Discoloration of your hand (bluish color)
Arm pain and swelling, possibly due to blood clots
Blood clot in veins or arteries in the upper area of your body
Lack of color (pallor) in one or more of your fingers or your entire hand
Weak or no pulse in the affected arm
Cold fingers, hands or arms
Arm fatigue with activity
Numbness or tingling in your fingers
Weakness of arm or neck"


yea, but if you actually believe he has that injury I have a bridge to sell you as the saying goes.


Additionally, the people who truly suffer from that injury usually have to have a surgery to remove a rib. Hardly something that is fixed with 3-6 weeks of PT as Fultz's agent would have us believe, especially considering all the shoulder PT he has already had in the past 1.5 years.

So his mom is crazy and he had the yips at the FT line, that makes his injury bogus? Surgery is the last dangerous option according to my readings. It's done when tissue is DYING.


The injury is bogus because it was never diagnosed until his agent went diagnosis shopping and had Makelle visit 10 different specialists before finding someone who would give him a diagnosis he liked.


The injury is bogus because it only affects him during certain shots. He can shoot a layup just fine and has no issue with some mid range jumpers, but put him on the foul line and all of the sudden he can't lift his arm over his shoulder? Clearly all in his head.


And lastly, the injury is bogus because if he really had this injury and it was so severe he couldn't shoot a ball for over a year then he would most definitley need surgery. No one suffers for that long without something being seriously wrong internally. Docs have already stated that he needs no surgery and only 3-6 weeks of PT.


I'd bet a mortgage payment that after those 3-6 weeks are up Fultz's agent comes up with a new reason why he still can't get out of street clothes.

Don't fall for the obvious BS narrative, their just taking advantage of most people's innner belief that you shouldn't question someone when they say they are injured.

It's very possible the injury had a strong hand in causing the yips. It's very possible this a complicated matter. It doesn't have to be a binary situation. As usual, time will be the truth teller.


Time will definitely tell, but in the meantime I refuse to give him a pass because of some phatom injury that most likely doesn't exist. If it turns out the injury was legit and caused all his problem, I'll be in the apology line, but until then I'm going to resist the narrative and continue to treat this as complete BS made up by a desperate agent.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2810856-markelle-fultzs-mother-ebony-reportedly-put-security-cameras-inside-his-home?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

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I really wonder what was covered up in his brief college experience.

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No he isn't. It's obvious the kid is injured. He can't even follow through on his jump shot. Doesn't matter if it is mid range or not. It is easier to shoot mid range shots because they don't require as much extension. That hitch isn't do some psychological B.S. Basketball players don't all of a sudden change their shot. He tried to accommodate for the injury and it meant that it had to alter his shot.

If they can't fix it in 3-6 then he will have to do the surgery. Kid has got nothing but tough breaks. I actually believe the motorcycle stuff and if Stephen A. is to be believed then the kid has "demons". Stephen A. is pretty wired up when comes to the Philly scene and the kid is a Baltimore, Maryland kid. Wouldn't be difficult for him to track people that really knows him.

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No he isn't. It's obvious the kid is injured. He can't even follow through on his jump shot. Doesn't matter if it is mid range or not. It is easier to shoot mid range shots because they don't require as much extension. That hitch isn't do some psychological B.S. Basketball players don't all of a sudden change their shot. He tried to accommodate for the injury and it meant that it had to alter his shot.

If they can't fix it in 3-6 then he will have to do the surgery. Kid has got nothing but tough breaks. I actually believe the motorcycle stuff and if Stephen A. is to be believed then the kid has "demons". Stephen A. is pretty wired up when comes to the Philly scene and the kid is a Baltimore, Maryland kid. Wouldn't be difficult for him to track people that really knows him.

Stephen A Smith is an entertainment personality. And a bad one. He isn't keyed into anything.

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shakes is right

No he isn't. It's obvious the kid is injured. He can't even follow through on his jump shot. Doesn't matter if it is mid range or not. It is easier to shoot mid range shots because they don't require as much extension. That hitch isn't do some psychological B.S. Basketball players don't all of a sudden change their shot. He tried to accommodate for the injury and it meant that it had to alter his shot.

If they can't fix it in 3-6 then he will have to do the surgery. Kid has got nothing but tough breaks. I actually believe the motorcycle stuff and if Stephen A. is to be believed then the kid has "demons". Stephen A. is pretty wired up when comes to the Philly scene and the kid is a Baltimore, Maryland kid. Wouldn't be difficult for him to track people that really knows him.

Stephen A Smith is an entertainment personality. And a bad one. He isn't keyed into anything.


Before he was "Screaming A. Smith" he wrote for the Philadelphia Enquirer. He has real sources when it comes to that particular area.

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Interesting defensive metric on Young

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/ ... position/1

Not only is he the worst defensive player, he's the worst BY FAR. He might be a giant pussy because he treats every screen like it's a prison wall.


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shakes is right

No he isn't. It's obvious the kid is injured. He can't even follow through on his jump shot. Doesn't matter if it is mid range or not. It is easier to shoot mid range shots because they don't require as much extension. That hitch isn't do some psychological B.S. Basketball players don't all of a sudden change their shot. He tried to accommodate for the injury and it meant that it had to alter his shot.

If they can't fix it in 3-6 then he will have to do the surgery. Kid has got nothing but tough breaks. I actually believe the motorcycle stuff and if Stephen A. is to be believed then the kid has "demons". Stephen A. is pretty wired up when comes to the Philly scene and the kid is a Baltimore, Maryland kid. Wouldn't be difficult for him to track people that really knows him.

Stephen A Smith is an entertainment personality. And a bad one. He isn't keyed into anything.


Before he was "Screaming A. Smith" he wrote for the Philadelphia Enquirer. He has real sources when it comes to that particular area.

He used to have real sources. So did David Kaplan with the Cubs, during the Hendry era.

You can tell when these guys no longer have that. Instead of reporting, they become the stories themselves, with loud, over the top opinions dressed up with "Well I've heard from sources..." No, no you haven't heard from sources.

Stephen A Smith is a joke. And actual sports reporters detest him. Not shy about voicing it, either, even ones that also work for the Mouse.

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Nardi wrote:
Interesting defensive metric on Young

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/ ... position/1

Not only is he the worst defensive player, he's the worst BY FAR. He might be a giant pussy because he treats every screen like it's a prison wall.


yea, he's gonna worry about D at a later date. Right now he's got quite a bit on his plate as a 20 year old trying to run an entire offense without having much of any help around him. That said, his D has definitely improved as the season has progressed. At least he's trying in that department, getting out on shooters and getting his hands up.

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IMU wrote:
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shakes is right

No he isn't. It's obvious the kid is injured. He can't even follow through on his jump shot. Doesn't matter if it is mid range or not. It is easier to shoot mid range shots because they don't require as much extension. That hitch isn't do some psychological B.S. Basketball players don't all of a sudden change their shot. He tried to accommodate for the injury and it meant that it had to alter his shot.

If they can't fix it in 3-6 then he will have to do the surgery. Kid has got nothing but tough breaks. I actually believe the motorcycle stuff and if Stephen A. is to be believed then the kid has "demons". Stephen A. is pretty wired up when comes to the Philly scene and the kid is a Baltimore, Maryland kid. Wouldn't be difficult for him to track people that really knows him.

Stephen A Smith is an entertainment personality. And a bad one. He isn't keyed into anything.


Before he was "Screaming A. Smith" he wrote for the Philadelphia Enquirer. He has real sources when it comes to that particular area.

He used to have real sources. So did David Kaplan with the Cubs, during the Hendry era.

You can tell when these guys no longer have that. Instead of reporting, they become the stories themselves, with loud, over the top opinions dressed up with "Well I've heard from sources..." No, no you haven't heard from sources.

Stephen A Smith is a joke. And actual sports reporters detest him. Not shy about voicing it, either, even ones that also work for the Mouse.


Who cares if actual sports reporters detest him? to quote the Great Frank Thomas its probably nothing more than "professional jealousy". You know who was the guy that first cracked the "Lebron guys don't want to play with him" story? Stephen A. a full two years ago when guys like Vegan were running around thinking everyone was bending over to kiss Lebron's ass. You know who was one of the first to say Lebron was going to L.A.? You guessed it Stephen A.

He is one of the few guys that actually steps out and provides real opinions. Newsflash that is how you become the story at times. I don't have a problem with him as at least he has things to say. I wish more were like him actually. Sports coverage is too bland these days and when the hottest thing smoking in your city is a guy providing "guy talk" then you really don't have much.

If this dude says Fultz has demons then I'm listening. He said the shit 3 weeks ago before the whole surveillance shit was reported. He is one of the first ones to intimate that it is something off the floor troubling Fultz. Hadn't heard it and I will be sure to pay attention

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Nardi wrote:
Interesting defensive metric on Young

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/ ... position/1

Not only is he the worst defensive player, he's the worst BY FAR. He might be a giant pussy because he treats every screen like it's a prison wall.



Its why they sub him early in games. He gets lit up by frontline starting NBA guards and the hope is that he will have a better chance against backups. His best games of the season have been blowouts decided early and games with starters that are G league caliber. He gets torched by anyone even resembling NBA quality.

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Nardi wrote:
Interesting defensive metric on Young

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/ ... position/1

Not only is he the worst defensive player, he's the worst BY FAR. He might be a giant pussy because he treats every screen like it's a prison wall.


yea, he's gonna worry about D at a later date. Right now he's got quite a bit on his plate as a 20 year old trying to run an entire offense without having much of any help around him. That said, his D has definitely improved as the season has progressed. At least he's trying in that department, getting out on shooters and getting his hands up.



Ah the "No one around him argument" that he used to justiy his Lonzo bullshit from last season. Turns out that everyone around him was actually better than him. He dissed Randle, Ingram, Lopez, KCP, Kuzma etc with the same bullshit. Poor Lonzo has no one to play with. Turns out the Lakers believed his garbage ass to be the problem its why they signed Rondo.

Now he is starting the same shit up with Young. He doesn't realize that when Atlanta gets good he won't be the starter. Probably won't even be on the team. He will never be good defensively. Too light in the ass and he lacks the length quickness and strength to ever be good.

D has improved since the beginning of the season is also BS too. Usual spin move from a dude that doesn't know what the hell he is talking about yet has to save face.

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I want to know what happened when Fultz visited the Celtics that caused them not to want him.

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I want to know what happened when Fultz visited the Celtics that caused them not to want him.


Maybe he brought his mother along with him.

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I want to know what happened when Fultz visited the Celtics that caused them not to want him.


Maybe he brought his mother along with him.



why, she could just watch it from her surveillance center at home.

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The answer to this question is neither.

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The answer to this question is neither.

wrong the question is either or

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How is your boy Jahlil Okafor doing?


Quite well it seems.

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1 ... 07488?s=20

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How is your boy Jahlil Okafor doing?


Quite well it seems.

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1 ... 07488?s=20

E'Twaun Moore has scored 20+ points MANY times this season.

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How is your boy Jahlil Okafor doing?


Quite well it seems.

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1 ... 07488?s=20

E'Twaun Moore has scored 20+ points MANY times this season.


So has Zach Lavine.

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Good. You've now been clear that with your established criteria, Zach Lavine, Jahlil Okafor and E'Twaun Moore are all equally as good.

We now have a better picture of how you determine NBA talent and success.

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Good. You've now been clear that with your established criteria, Zach Lavine, Jahlil Okafor and E'Twaun Moore are all equally as good.

We now have a better picture of how you determine NBA talent and success.


Given the high regard that you have regarding bums like Etwaun its more like you admitting that you were wrong about Okafor and Lavine. Duly noted.

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Good. You've now been clear that with your established criteria, Zach Lavine, Jahlil Okafor and E'Twaun Moore are all equally as good.

We now have a better picture of how you determine NBA talent and success.


Given the high regard that you have regarding bums like Etwaun its more like you admitting that you were wrong about Okafor and Lavine. Duly noted.

I have no problem admitting I've always thought Lavine, Okafor and Moore contribute the same positive amounts to a team, but in different ways. None deserve $20M a season.

Lavine and Okafor, with real minutes, give you 20 points and don't do a ton else.

E'Twaun Moore plays good overall basketball game, but only gives you 15 points out of his own shooting hands.

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IMU wrote:
Good. You've now been clear that with your established criteria, Zach Lavine, Jahlil Okafor and E'Twaun Moore are all equally as good.

We now have a better picture of how you determine NBA talent and success.


Given the high regard that you have regarding bums like Etwaun its more like you admitting that you were wrong about Okafor and Lavine. Duly noted.

I have no problem admitting I've always thought Lavine, Okafor and Moore contribute the same positive amounts to a team, but in different ways. None deserve $20M a season.

Lavine and Okafor, with real minutes, give you 20 points and don't do a ton else.

E'Twaun Moore plays good overall basketball game, but only gives you 15 points out of his own shooting hands.



I don't believe Etwaun Moore has ever avg 15 per game at any point of his career. Lavine avg about 23 to 24 right now. Not 20. He also provides 4'-5 assist pergame. currently

Considering your tendency for proclaiming bums i.e. MCW, Lance, Moore to be good players your assessment means nothing.

You also thought Jimmy Butler was "top 8" when he never was anything close to that. With this being the case your assessment of players is fatally flawed.

Lavine at 20 per is a steal at this point. That one (as are many) you were simply wrong about. You already have begun spinning your wrongheaded Thibs and Butler love by blaming everyone except the two guys (Thibs and Butler) that were most responsible. Just can't admit that you were wrong can you?

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And yet we've established that more on this board lean toward my side of things than yours. Maybe you should find a board more in line with your own sports thoughts...since you clearly have disdain for the majority opinion.

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