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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:35 am 
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Boylen is not buried yet. He's just started digging the hole. Maybe if the players weren't encouraged to chip in with their shovels, he might put his down. I'm talking to you Zach, you suck the last 2 games. Get your head right. You ain't Magic Johnson.


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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.

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It's been mentioned in several articles that he's the guy because they're not gonna pay head coaching salaries for two people (Hoiberg and his successor). Right now Boylen is making assistant coach money and it's not clear if/when he'll get a raise. It's a purely financial thing.



Apparently you don't have a clue as to how front offices work. If it were purely about money (as you imply) then that would be all the more reason for them to apply the interim tag to him. If they make him the interim coach for the rest of the year then they wouldn't have to pay him as much as they would if he were declared the coach through next season.


He's the permanent HC and is making assistant coach money. He will be among the lowest paid HCs next year, if not the lowest. It's about money.

He won't be a HC next year. Moot point.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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I thought this was an interesting tidbit in the DH yesterday from McGraw's column:

"Thanks to the reader who sent me a Salt Lake Tribune column from 2014 about Boylen at the end of his four-year run as head coach at the University of Utah. Gordon Monson wrote, “Boylen had a tendency to swing a hammer at problems that might have been better solved with subtlety and savvy.” Uncanny."

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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.


I said someone like Skiles. That person exists - they're just employed.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.


I said someone like Skiles. That person exists - they're just employed.


Skiles is another overrated coach.

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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.


I said someone like Skiles. That person exists - they're just employed.

... which means they aren't available. That's my entire point. There isn't some known, expensive, available candidate that this is going to cause the Bulls to miss out on. It's clear Boylen is not the guy so get another guy this offseason and see if he is the guy. Salary is irrelevant.

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Salary is always relevant. If they want to pry someone like Spoelstra or Carlisle away from their teams then they have to pay up. They ain't gonna do that with Fred on the books.

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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.


I said someone like Skiles. That person exists - they're just employed.


Skiles is another overrated coach.

see Doc RiversImage

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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Take it for what it's worth since it's Cowley, but he says there's a good chance Boylen's back next season with a contract extension. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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It's about money again. Keep him cheap while Hoiberg is on the books.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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The cheapness prevents them from considering coaches who can get this squad back to respectability.

No it doesn't. I already challenged you to name who that coach is. He doesn't currently exist.


I said someone like Skiles. That person exists - they're just employed.


Skiles is another overrated coach.

see Doc RiversImage



Apparently see Jim Boylen as far you're concerned. Then again what in the hell do you know? You're still clinging to the ghost of Tom Thibodeau a full eight years after he did anything of substance as a coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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Jim Boylen is an idiot.

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Meanwhile he played Holiday at the 5 for a stretch tonight :lol:


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Taking for Zion. Boylen is doing his job.


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Someone should tell Dan that the only reason he's criticizing Paxson at all is likely because he's having problems with his own boss and is projecting those on poor Pax. I've heard from numerous credible sources that Paxson is an outstanding boss to work for and protector of women in the workplace, as well as one of the finest basketball minds people who work for The Score have ever had the pleasure of talking to. It takes a lot of gall to criticize the basketball acumen of the guy who hit on a 1.7% chance for Derrick Rose.


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Someone should tell Dan that the only reason he's criticizing Paxson at all is likely because he's having problems with his own boss and is projecting those on poor Pax. I've heard from numerous credible sources that Paxson is an outstanding boss to work for and protector of women in the workplace, as well as one of the finest basketball minds people who work for The Score have ever had the pleasure of talking to. It takes a lot of gall to criticize the basketball acumen of the guy who hit on a 1.7% chance for Derrick Rose.



He was good early. It wasn't just about Rose either. He built a playoff team Pre Rose and had very few draft misses early .

With that said his time has passed. Trying to develop "a winning culture" 15 years in is terrible. He shouldn't even have the opportunity. Firing Hoiberg and replacing him with a head coach with no proven track record was also stupid as hell too. Removing the interim tag from said coach and promising to have his back as he does dumb shit makes little sense too.

The decision to bench Jabari Parker (regardless of what anyone thinks about the signing) for 3 guys that he is clearly superior to as a player makes no sense either. Half ass tank job last year was stupid too. He had a chance to draft 2-3 guys that are franchise type guys and instead drafted a solid piece at best

I was a Paxson fan and thought he did a good job but now its time for him to go. I was wrong about him being the guy to lead them out of this mess.

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I pay little attention to basketball...but...I think he's made the good decisions and somebody else had input for the bad decisions. Seems like a standup guy.


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The decision to bench Jabari Parker (regardless of what anyone thinks about the signing) for 3 guys that he is clearly superior to as a player makes no sense either. Half ass tank job last year was stupid too. He had a chance to draft 2-3 guys that are franchise type guys and instead drafted a solid piece at best

You contradict yourself. You criticize last year's half ass tank job, but you want a short term guy like Jabari Parker to play right now to MAYBE get 2-3 more wins for you this season. Why? Parker isn't a part of any winning Bulls team's core.

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The decision to bench Jabari Parker (regardless of what anyone thinks about the signing) for 3 guys that he is clearly superior to as a player makes no sense either. Half ass tank job last year was stupid too. He had a chance to draft 2-3 guys that are franchise type guys and instead drafted a solid piece at best

You contradict yourself. You criticize last year's half ass tank job, but you want a short term guy like Jabari Parker to play right now to MAYBE get 2-3 more wins for you this season. Why? Parker isn't a part of any winning Bulls team's core.



Tanking in of itself isn't virtuous. Tanking this year doesn't make much sense as its a pretty weak draft. Tanking last year made a lot of sense as it was one of the better drafts in years.

Some years its good to tank and others it isn't. The reason that i criticized GarPax was because it was a "half ass tank" job. It was obvious that tanking was the best course of action yet they stupidly claimed that they weren't going to do it. Once they decided to go all in it was too late as they'd "won" their way out of it.


As far as Jabari goes he is better than the guys in front of him so he should be playing. Period. Your "core"argument makes little sense since Holiday isn't part of the core either yet he plays 35 minutes per game.

Jabari might also be a better player than anyone that get in the draft also.

You don't give up on a 23 year old who obviously has demonstrated that he is one of your better players and then claim that you are trying to win games. There is nothing to be gained by scapegoating the guy. Even if you hope to trade him you are killing his market value. Not to mention you just blew $20 mil.

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Tanking in of itself isn't virtuous. Tanking this year doesn't make much sense as its a pretty weak draft. Tanking last year made a lot of sense as it was one of the better drafts in years.
Some years its good to tank and others it isn't. The reason that i criticized GarPax was because it was a "half ass tank" job. It was obvious that tanking was the best course of action yet they stupidly claimed that they weren't going to do it. Once they decided to go all in it was too late as they'd "won" their way out of it.


It doesn't matter the quality of the draft. Winning 35 games this season does nothing for you. Wins and prospect progression aren't always tied together if you can continue to play enough crappy guys around them to get the losses. You may not find a Doncic or Ayton in this draft, but you could still get a rotational piece in the Top 5 picks. The Bulls need pieces.

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As far as Jabari goes he is better than the guys in front of him so he should be playing. Period. Your "core"argument makes little sense since Holiday isn't part of the core either yet he plays 35 minutes per game.

Jabari might also be a better player than anyone that get in the draft also.

You don't give up on a 23 year old who obviously has demonstrated that he is one of your better players and then claim that you are trying to win games. There is nothing to be gained by scapegoating the guy. Even if you hope to trade him you are killing his market value. Not to mention you just blew $20 mil.


I know you keep mentioning Holiday in place of Jabari, but they really don't play the same position. Maybe Holiday rotates to bigger guys once in a blue moon, but Jabari isn't matching up on quick guards. Anyway, Holiday plays 30+ minutes because he fits in with a tank job. Is your official recommendation that they sign Jabari long term? Is that where you want the Bulls to put their money?

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.

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Tanking in of itself isn't virtuous. Tanking this year doesn't make much sense as its a pretty weak draft. Tanking last year made a lot of sense as it was one of the better drafts in years.
Some years its good to tank and others it isn't. The reason that i criticized GarPax was because it was a "half ass tank" job. It was obvious that tanking was the best course of action yet they stupidly claimed that they weren't going to do it. Once they decided to go all in it was too late as they'd "won" their way out of it.


It doesn't matter the quality of the draft. Winning 35 games this season does nothing for you. Wins and prospect progression aren't always tied together if you can continue to play enough crappy guys around them to get the losses. You may not find a Doncic or Ayton in this draft, but you could still get a rotational piece in the Top 5 picks. The Bulls need pieces.

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As far as Jabari goes he is better than the guys in front of him so he should be playing. Period. Your "core"argument makes little sense since Holiday isn't part of the core either yet he plays 35 minutes per game.

Jabari might also be a better player than anyone that get in the draft also.

You don't give up on a 23 year old who obviously has demonstrated that he is one of your better players and then claim that you are trying to win games. There is nothing to be gained by scapegoating the guy. Even if you hope to trade him you are killing his market value. Not to mention you just blew $20 mil.


I know you keep mentioning Holiday in place of Jabari, but they really don't play the same position. Maybe Holiday rotates to bigger guys once in a blue moon, but Jabari isn't matching up on quick guards. Anyway, Holiday plays 30+ minutes because he fits in with a tank job. Is your official recommendation that they sign Jabari long term? Is that where you want the Bulls to put their money?


They aren't tanking though. They are simply losing. Jabari probably can guard 3's. What do they have to lose? and again it makes little sense to tank this year unless you get the No. 1 pick and i don't know if he is a lock for anything either.

No matter what position you want to play him at he should be playing. Even if its as a bench guy play him. Its dumb and if tanking is the end game then its a dumb endgame this year. You tank during stronger drafts.

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.


Yeah continue to be content watching Holiday, Blakeney, Shaq (the non Oneal) Harrison as they get their doors blown off.

Interesting that you'd be a Boylen fan since he is Thibs lite with those silly ass sideline antics that don't do shit as far as win games.

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.

Yup.

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.


Yeah continue to be content watching Holiday, Blakeney, Shaq (the non Oneal) Harrison as they get their doors blown off.

Interesting that you'd be a Boylen fan since he is Thibs lite with those silly ass sideline antics that don't do shit as far as win games.


Who said I'm a Boylen fan? What Parker said is indefensible - he shouldn't be allowed in Chicago again, as a player or spectator.

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.

Yup.


Still one of their best players and as such he should be playing.

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.


Yeah continue to be content watching Holiday, Blakeney, Shaq (the non Oneal) Harrison as they get their doors blown off.

Interesting that you'd be a Boylen fan since he is Thibs lite with those silly ass sideline antics that don't do shit as far as win games.


Who said I'm a Boylen fan? What Parker said is indefensible - he shouldn't be allowed in Chicago again, as a player or spectator.



So you are happy watching 1 for 10 shooting Justin Holiday launching 3's as opposed to a guy that simply said the wrong thing? I don't care about winning the press conf i care about watching talented guys play.

Even noted (at least on here) Bulls mouthpieces like K.C. and Sam the man Smith have openly questioned this dumb shit.

There isn't a message in the world in playing non NBA guys significant minutes other than the guy doing it is a dumbass.

He can take that silly High school/NCAA bullshit and shove it up his ass. Its the NBA and Jabari is still going to get paid and he still will be on a roster next season so what are they accomplishing?

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Jabari "they don't play players to play defense" is a piece of shit.


Yeah continue to be content watching Holiday, Blakeney, Shaq (the non Oneal) Harrison as they get their doors blown off.

Interesting that you'd be a Boylen fan since he is Thibs lite with those silly ass sideline antics that don't do shit as far as win games.


Who said I'm a Boylen fan? What Parker said is indefensible - he shouldn't be allowed in Chicago again, as a player or spectator.



So you are happy watching 1 for 10 shooting Justin Holiday launching 3's as opposed to a guy that simply said the wrong thing? I don't care about winning the press conf i care about watching talented guys play.

Even noted (at least on here) Bulls mouthpieces like K.C. and Sam the man Smith have openly questioned this dumb shit.

There isn't a message in the world in playing non NBA guys significant minutes other than the guy doing it is a dumbass.


If a guy hustles on D, plays help defense like he should, takes charges, keeps his man in front of him, etc., then yes he should play, even if he hasn't hit a shot in his life.

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