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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.

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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.

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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.
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They're interesting players but these are dead times in their careers. They're putting up empty stats on a team heading nowhere. Not interested.

What makes you think I paid attention to the Bears when they sucked? I have no idea of the little details of the past three or so seasons before this one. The last time I watched closely was during Trestman's first year when they were looking good. When my teams are bad I enjoy tuning in to GM talk and thinking about transactions and other moves they can make to improve their situation. I don't pay attention to the actual sport on the field/court on a day to day basis. I'd actually play basketball during a Bulls game when they suck instead of watching them. That may not make me a die hard fan according to you and I'm fine with that - I have no problem as a fan admitting that my interest in the day to day details isn't there when the team sucks. I'm at peace with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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veganfan21 wrote:
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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.
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They're interesting players but these are dead times in their careers. They're putting up empty stats on a team heading nowhere. Not interested.

What makes you think I paid attention to the Bears when they sucked? I have no idea of the little details of the past three or so seasons before this one. The last time I watched closely was during Trestman's first year when they were looking good. When my teams are bad I enjoy tuning in to GM talk and thinking about transactions and other moves they can make to improve their situation. I don't pay attention to the actual sport on the field/court on a day to day basis. I'd actually play basketball during a Bulls game when they suck instead of watching them. That may not make me a die hard fan according to you and I'm fine with that - I have no problem as a fan admitting that my interest in the day to day details isn't there when the team sucks. I'm at peace with that.



The Bears have sucked for about 10 years now. I'm certain if i go through Bears threads there is evidence of you following them.

I am not living and dying with this Bulls team. I also will not stop being a fan because Reinsdorf or Paxson run the team. I also would never tell someone how they should act as a fan (as you seem to be doing now).

I am at peace with supporting a losing product and I actually do see some glimmer of hope when it comes to the team. I agree that they are mismanaged but that won't prevent me from being a fan. I'm a fan of the team not the owners GMs or coaches anyway.

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You seem to be misreading my posts - I'm not telling anyone how to act as a fan, I am telling you how I act as a fan. And the last time the Bears were good was in 2011 or around there, the year Lovie got fired. They went 10-6 and still missed the playoffs. Damn straight i followed them - I was a fan of Lovie and because of him I felt the Bears had a shot every year. You better believe I followed the Bulls super closely during Vinny's last year and during the Thibs era. That was the last time I followed them closely. Now, as you can tell, I'm more about following the GM talk than I am in the actual product on the court. That's just me.

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For whatever it's worth, I only give a shit about the Bulls when they are winning.

The organization is too much of a dumpster fire to invest emotion into unless they are contenders.

Plus no superstar will sign a free agent contract to play in one of the best cities in the work for some reason.

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Nothing intrigues me about Lauri, Dunn, Carter, or LaVine. They are basically run of the mill players. 2 LaVines, 2 Lauris and 1 Dunn aren't going to win you a championship. You need a couple guys who are special. Then you surround them with a Lauri, a Dunn, and a LaVine. None of those guys have the PER 19 year old rookie Luka has. And he's 72nd in the league.

GarPax has got to go.


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Tanking in of itself isn't virtuous. Tanking this year doesn't make much sense as its a pretty weak draft. Tanking last year made a lot of sense as it was one of the better drafts in years.
Some years its good to tank and others it isn't. The reason that i criticized GarPax was because it was a "half ass tank" job. It was obvious that tanking was the best course of action yet they stupidly claimed that they weren't going to do it. Once they decided to go all in it was too late as they'd "won" their way out of it.


It doesn't matter the quality of the draft. Winning 35 games this season does nothing for you. Wins and prospect progression aren't always tied together if you can continue to play enough crappy guys around them to get the losses. You may not find a Doncic or Ayton in this draft, but you could still get a rotational piece in the Top 5 picks. The Bulls need pieces.


You don't tank for the purpose of drafting rotational players. You tank in order to draft game changing franchise players. You can find rotational players anywhere.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.


I actually once went out with a woman who once dated Quentin Dailey.

Once. :lol:

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long time guy wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:

It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.


I actually once went out with a woman who once dated Quentin Dailey.

Once. :lol:



I remember when he played at IIT back in the day. He was sort of fucked up at the time as I remember. He could both score the ball and score a lot of coke at the same time.

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Tanking in of itself isn't virtuous. Tanking this year doesn't make much sense as its a pretty weak draft. Tanking last year made a lot of sense as it was one of the better drafts in years.
Some years its good to tank and others it isn't. The reason that i criticized GarPax was because it was a "half ass tank" job. It was obvious that tanking was the best course of action yet they stupidly claimed that they weren't going to do it. Once they decided to go all in it was too late as they'd "won" their way out of it.


It doesn't matter the quality of the draft. Winning 35 games this season does nothing for you. Wins and prospect progression aren't always tied together if you can continue to play enough crappy guys around them to get the losses. You may not find a Doncic or Ayton in this draft, but you could still get a rotational piece in the Top 5 picks. The Bulls need pieces.

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As far as Jabari goes he is better than the guys in front of him so he should be playing. Period. Your "core"argument makes little sense since Holiday isn't part of the core either yet he plays 35 minutes per game.

Jabari might also be a better player than anyone that get in the draft also.

You don't give up on a 23 year old who obviously has demonstrated that he is one of your better players and then claim that you are trying to win games. There is nothing to be gained by scapegoating the guy. Even if you hope to trade him you are killing his market value. Not to mention you just blew $20 mil.


I know you keep mentioning Holiday in place of Jabari, but they really don't play the same position. Maybe Holiday rotates to bigger guys once in a blue moon, but Jabari isn't matching up on quick guards. Anyway, Holiday plays 30+ minutes because he fits in with a tank job. Is your official recommendation that they sign Jabari long term? Is that where you want the Bulls to put their money?



They don't have to make a decision as to whether to sign him long term or not. They should play him so that they can ascertain whether to pick up his option for next season though.

There were nights before the benching when he was the Bulls best player on the floor. He also was indisputedly the 2nd best player on the floor. You don't bench him with that being the case. Reminds me of the bullshit that they pulled with Rush Street Reggie back in the day.


23 year olds with the capability to provide 19 and 9 don't grow on trees. See what you have and make a decision. You don't give up on a talent like that to play useless bums like Holiday.

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You don't tank for the purpose of drafting rotational players. You tank in order to draft game changing franchise players. You can find rotational players anywhere.

The Bulls can't.

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23 year olds with the capability to provide 19 and 9 don't grow on trees. See what you have and make a decision. You don't give up on a talent like that to play useless bums like Holiday.


He only gets 19 and 9 occasionally, as shown by his per game and per 36 numbers. I'd play him if only to make sure I can trade him within the next month or so. I would not have him around next season.

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play jabari parker... why is this so fucking diifficult? play him and slowly try to coach/correct his issues on defense.... you have a better shot at making parker in to a piece than you do hoping a 2nd round draft pick turns in to something


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From the mind of Jim Boylen and an article in the Athletic.

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18. It was how Boylen answered questions about the offense, LaVine’s performance and the 3-point shooting discrepancy that raised my eyebrows.

19. Boylen started his post-game statement by asking the final tally in the battle of paint points. He didn’t have his glasses, so the tiny numbers printed at the bottom left of the stat sheet resting atop the dais in front of Boylen didn’t mean anything. He couldn’t see it. So I did him a solid. I told him 62-46, Bulls. He chose to start there with his comments.

20. “I do like 62 (points) in the paint,” he said. “I think we could have 80 if we could finish a play better. We’ll work on that and keep growing.”

21. Next came questions about LaVine. “I’m proud of Zach LaVine,” Boylen said. “He got 27 points on two 3s. That’s, to me, who he’s got to be. Drive that ball and attack, attack. Hopefully we can get some free throws as we go forward for him. But I love that, 27 on two 3s. That’s who I want him to be is a driver and an aggressive downhill guy.”

22. Finally, this when I asked if he has a number of 3-point attempts he’d like the Bulls to average: “We haven’t talked about a number like that. Take your open shots, but we’re focused on trying to get the ball downhill, trying to drive the ball, trying to get paint points and then spray out for open shots.”


Bulls keys to victory will be scoring 80 in the paint nightly with fewer 3s from Levine and the team. Surely a winning formula in 2019.


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From the mind of Jim Boylen and an article in the Athletic.

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18. It was how Boylen answered questions about the offense, LaVine’s performance and the 3-point shooting discrepancy that raised my eyebrows.

19. Boylen started his post-game statement by asking the final tally in the battle of paint points. He didn’t have his glasses, so the tiny numbers printed at the bottom left of the stat sheet resting atop the dais in front of Boylen didn’t mean anything. He couldn’t see it. So I did him a solid. I told him 62-46, Bulls. He chose to start there with his comments.

20. “I do like 62 (points) in the paint,” he said. “I think we could have 80 if we could finish a play better. We’ll work on that and keep growing.”

21. Next came questions about LaVine. “I’m proud of Zach LaVine,” Boylen said. “He got 27 points on two 3s. That’s, to me, who he’s got to be. Drive that ball and attack, attack. Hopefully we can get some free throws as we go forward for him. But I love that, 27 on two 3s. That’s who I want him to be is a driver and an aggressive downhill guy.”

22. Finally, this when I asked if he has a number of 3-point attempts he’d like the Bulls to average: “We haven’t talked about a number like that. Take your open shots, but we’re focused on trying to get the ball downhill, trying to drive the ball, trying to get paint points and then spray out for open shots.”


Bulls keys to victory will be scoring 80 in the paint nightly with fewer 3s from Levine and the team. Surely a winning formula in 2019.


I actually agree with him about this.

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From the mind of Jim Boylen and an article in the Athletic.

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18. It was how Boylen answered questions about the offense, LaVine’s performance and the 3-point shooting discrepancy that raised my eyebrows.

19. Boylen started his post-game statement by asking the final tally in the battle of paint points. He didn’t have his glasses, so the tiny numbers printed at the bottom left of the stat sheet resting atop the dais in front of Boylen didn’t mean anything. He couldn’t see it. So I did him a solid. I told him 62-46, Bulls. He chose to start there with his comments.

20. “I do like 62 (points) in the paint,” he said. “I think we could have 80 if we could finish a play better. We’ll work on that and keep growing.”

21. Next came questions about LaVine. “I’m proud of Zach LaVine,” Boylen said. “He got 27 points on two 3s. That’s, to me, who he’s got to be. Drive that ball and attack, attack. Hopefully we can get some free throws as we go forward for him. But I love that, 27 on two 3s. That’s who I want him to be is a driver and an aggressive downhill guy.”

22. Finally, this when I asked if he has a number of 3-point attempts he’d like the Bulls to average: “We haven’t talked about a number like that. Take your open shots, but we’re focused on trying to get the ball downhill, trying to drive the ball, trying to get paint points and then spray out for open shots.”


Bulls keys to victory will be scoring 80 in the paint nightly with fewer 3s from Levine and the team. Surely a winning formula in 2019.


I actually agree with him about this.

I would have agreed with him 30 years ago.


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From the mind of Jim Boylen and an article in the Athletic.

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18. It was how Boylen answered questions about the offense, LaVine’s performance and the 3-point shooting discrepancy that raised my eyebrows.

19. Boylen started his post-game statement by asking the final tally in the battle of paint points. He didn’t have his glasses, so the tiny numbers printed at the bottom left of the stat sheet resting atop the dais in front of Boylen didn’t mean anything. He couldn’t see it. So I did him a solid. I told him 62-46, Bulls. He chose to start there with his comments.

20. “I do like 62 (points) in the paint,” he said. “I think we could have 80 if we could finish a play better. We’ll work on that and keep growing.”

21. Next came questions about LaVine. “I’m proud of Zach LaVine,” Boylen said. “He got 27 points on two 3s. That’s, to me, who he’s got to be. Drive that ball and attack, attack. Hopefully we can get some free throws as we go forward for him. But I love that, 27 on two 3s. That’s who I want him to be is a driver and an aggressive downhill guy.”

22. Finally, this when I asked if he has a number of 3-point attempts he’d like the Bulls to average: “We haven’t talked about a number like that. Take your open shots, but we’re focused on trying to get the ball downhill, trying to drive the ball, trying to get paint points and then spray out for open shots.”


Bulls keys to victory will be scoring 80 in the paint nightly with fewer 3s from Levine and the team. Surely a winning formula in 2019.


I actually agree with him about this.

I would have agreed with him 30 years ago.


It was tougher to score at the rim 30 years ago. Easy as shit now.

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Bulls aren't going to win any shooting contests with this roster.


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I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are.

3 Words: New York Knicks

But yes, overall I agree with your sentiment.


I thought about them but wasn't sure if they've stared to turn a corner yet. I think between this Bulls era and the Isaiah Thomas Knicks era it'd be real hard to say which team is the bigger joke. Probably NYK for all that dead money they gave to players like Eddy Curry and Jerome James or whatever his name was.

Come on. It's not close when asking who's been a bigger failure at GM between Thomas and GarPax. The Knicks have been to the playoffs like twice in the last 20 years. Say what you want about GarPax but their tenure isn't close to that futile.

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Bulls aren't going to win any shooting contests with this roster.


Bulls aren't going to win any anythings with this roster.


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Bulls aren't going to win any shooting contests with this roster.


Bulls aren't going to win any anythings with this roster.


Including the lottery.

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Wait till they announce Boylen is the coach next year because it financially makes sense!
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I don't understand how the defense would be any better under Boylen. Boylen was the defensive coach under Hoiberg. They were already running his defense anyway.

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Wait till they announce Boylen is the coach next year because it financially makes sense!
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Isnt that basically what KC Johnson recently tweeted?

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as I was saying..... :lol:

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This dude might really be the worst coach of any NBA team ever.


It's a process

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This dude might really be the worst coach of any NBA team ever.


It's a process


So is a colonoscopy.

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This dude might really be the worst coach of any NBA team ever.


It's a process

Steph don't know shit

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