None of the guys you mentioned have the two way credentials offensively Cam has. None of them. Vick could have but his dumbass wanted to fight dogs. That’s life.

The rest of your argument is simply you disliking him and his style, no argument against his career.

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I would put Rivers with the other 4 even without the jewelry.

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His passing numbers are textbook mediocre. His rushing numbers at the position are unprecedented and have a chance to look absolutely ridiculous in comparison to his peers when he’s done. That and his other credentials gets him in barring injury.

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Most people wouldn’t. Love Rivers but he doesn’t have the individual success to make up for the rest. He needs a ring. I’d put him in HOF without one but he can’t be mentioned with those other four without one imo. He’s had the teams at various points.

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Russell is more of a no doubter than Cam imo. Ben can't be a first ballot guy given the press' occasional love of optics.

And I agree with you on the rest

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Then you see a guy like Mitch fun as a QB and you realize that having athleticism does not a great HOF QB make. He can run. Good for him. He takes TDs from his RBs at the goal line to pad his stats.

They all did. Warren Moon was throwing for 5000 yards 30 years ago. Let that sink in. The 4 I mentioned had a big impact on the game of football. Cam Newton has just been a player.

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He's had MANY Parkey's

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Let me know when Mitch goes 15-1 in a season and wins MVP.

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Cam gets to one more Super Bowl and he has as good a claim as Steve Young.

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Stop yourself!

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Steve Young's first few years were forgettable and he won nothing after 94. And I'm a fan.

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Just wait til he finishes with more rushing TDs than guys like Eric Dickerson and Barry Sanders. Poor Nas will have a rough time when we bump this thread in 2025.

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It still won't change anything. He's playing in a pussy era. No one would take him over 3 of the 4 players I named. Put them in this era and they would put up video game numbers. If Warren Moon was throwing for 5000 yards in 1990, how many yards would he throw for today? How many rushing yards would Cunningham have? Vick?

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I don’t want to hear shit about Vick. He’s responsible for him not being in the HOF and nobody else.

Warren moon would have about the same yards, even though that’s a worthless stat, today. Unless you think he’s the GOAT.

I saw Cunningham in 98. I remember it well. Choke artist. At least Cam got to the big game and outside of that his rushing stats dwarf Cunningham’s.

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I don’t mean to disrespect Cunningham. I really liked him growing up but hated him in 98. He was awesome. I don’t think you need to disparage Cam to acknowledge Cunningham was great but before his time.

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And those two have exactly 2-3 (?) playoff wins between them , and were hated by the voting media.

But I was a fan

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1 season makes him a first ballot HOFer?

They revolutionized the game and made old football fans heads explode. Cam Newton isn't in their class. Vick and McNabb are on the next tier. Can Newton is a mixture of Matt Ryan and Dante Culpepper with a splash of Jameis Winston.

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So numbers don't mean anything today because they're inflated, but you're putting Rivers in the same class as Brady and in the Hall with basically no notable postseason success (including multiple seasons where he had the best running back and tight end in the league).

No. The rest of his credentials put him on pace to be a no brainer one. He still needs to produce a few more seasons. Considering the pace he was on before getting hurt this year, his general durability(remember week 1 a couple years ago against the Broncos where he got like 5 concussions in one game and came back the next week fine?) and his team I don’t see that being a big problem going forward.

Edit: no brainer HOFer. Said he was on his way to being first ballot. Clearly not there yet.

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You’ve had a lot of historically bad sports takes on here. This might be worse than “Beasley > Rose” and “Vic Fangio comes from the Matt Nagy tree of coaching”

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I don't think any QB is in the class of Brady. I was just stating that I believe Rivers is definitely going to the HoF.

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Tell me why that's wrong?

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I think you are giving him too much credit because of his one season. He has been league average otherwise.

No he hasn’t. Nobody in the history of the entire league has done what he’s done rushing. The best rushing QBs of all time are all going to come up very short of what he does.

When he finishes in the top 15 of all time at any position in rushing TDs and has all his passing credentials to go with it this is going to look like a ridiculous conversation. And that was my main point. He’s on his way to an easy, close to first ballot HOF career. And unlike you tried to imply earlier he’s showing no signs of slowing down. His shoulder injury isn’t serious and he was playing as well as he ever has before week 10.

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Still having a hard time squaring the argument for Rivers with the one against Cam. Rivers has no notable postseason success to speak of despite playing with two of the best players at their positions, no MVPs, and we've already decided numbers don't really count cause it's a pussy era (or maybe it just wasn't from the year Rivers entered the league until the year Newton did?) Has Rivers "changed the direction of the position?" Have his playoff performances inspired you that he's a quarterback who can win a game for you?

Lamar Jackson had more rushing TDs this season. If he continues to start, he will rack them up. Will he be HOF caliber just because he runs for TDs as a QB?

Oh also since we're discussing quarterbacks and the Hall, I think a generally overlooked aspect of pulling for Foles and the Eagles to repeat besides the story is that it might be the one thing that can possibly stop Eli from undeservedly getting in. I had pretty much accepted that as an inevitability at this point.

You're ignoring the biases of the media voters, right or wrong.

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