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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.

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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.

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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.


They have enough depth to survive a major injury to a star.

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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.


Barring injury, they will be better next year. All their key players are young or mid-prime. Why do they get worse?

Your argument is that this year was a fluke? I disagree.

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Nas wrote:
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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.


They have enough depth to survive a major injury to a star.

Not Mack. Anyone else though yeah.

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Calm down. They were the #1 defense this year. Let's just say they should maintain the course.


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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.


They have enough depth to survive a major injury to a star.

Not Mack. Anyone else though yeah.


Agreed.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Will definitely be worse next year through the fault of no one. What they did this year is unsustainable.


Smith and Mack get a training camp. Nichols, smith and Jackson gain experience. Floyd has two hands

Sure. Almost a zero chance they have the success they did this year though. They are still going to be very good barring major injuries obviously.


Barring injury, they will be better next year. All their key players are young or mid-prime. Why do they get worse?

Your argument is that this year was a fluke? I disagree.

They had one of the best defenses of the past 30 years this year on a per snap basis, according to DVOA. All the best defenses recently, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens, etc, couldn’t sustain that success in back to back seasons, even when they had really good defenses the next year. It will be nearly impossible to be better next year for them. The main reasons for that are that good health and a huge, unsustainable turnover rate helped propel them to historical dominance this year. Those are two impossible to control factors that will almost certainly regress next year.

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Another Italian DC?

Rooney Rule? More like Roni Rule.

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Coming into the season, on paper, there were zero reasons to expect the Jaguars defense to regress except for the two factors I just mentioned. And guess what happened?

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Can't afford a major, year-ending injury to -

Hicks
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Can probably deal with others but I have a good feeling about Floyd next year.

If those guys play 80% of the games, the D should be as good or better.

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Trevathan will probably lose a step athletically but Roquan may be an all pro.

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MANY said the same thing from Feb. 1986 until the following January. :wink:

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You could probably get a nice haul if you traded Mack.

Just don't give away a 2nd round pick in the process.

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Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.

It’s a bold call Cotton. We’ll see how it works out.

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MANY said the same thing from Feb. 1986 until the following January. :wink:

Statistically the 1986 Bear's defense was better than the 1985 Bear's defense.


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If dolphin and Ken were Chiefs fans I would be reading an entertaining thread right now about how the KC offense is going to be better next season.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


It's hard to argue with this.

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Trevathan will probably lose a step athletically

Hopefully because someone breaks his leg with a dirty hit. Fuck that guy.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


It's hard to argue with this.


I'm pretty excited about a more aggressive defensive approach with this group of athletic talent and what they can do.

It's actually the reverse of February 1986 (which was actually January 27, 1986 - also the day the Space Shuttle blew up).

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Some of you guys sound like the same gang in 2007 that was so excited to see the Bears defense unleashed under Bob Babich.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


I agree with this. They had 2 players (Mack and Roquan) learning on the fly. They also sucked closing games.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


It's hard to argue with this.


I'm pretty excited about a more aggressive defensive approach with this group of athletic talent and what they can do.

It's actually the reverse of February 1986 (which was actually January 27, 1986


Problem is that the different '86 defense statistically was better on some measures. More of the same may be an invitation to the predictability that killed the 46 defense.

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Nas wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


I agree with this. They had 2 players (Mack and Roquan) learning on the fly. They also sucked closing games.

Fair on Roquan. I’m quite certain it had close to zero impact on Mack.

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Nas wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Quite frankly, I thought the D this year was very good but a bit over-loved nationally.

It felt like the '84 Bear D which was great but didn't quite hit on all cylinders per their talent until the following year. I'm going with that.


I agree with this. They had 2 players (Mack and Roquan) learning on the fly. They also sucked closing games.


In '86 they also got back two Pro Bowlers that sat out '85.

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Bears will probably lose Pagano as well eventually if the defense remains elite. He got jobbed a bit in Indy as Luck was injured a good portion of his tenure there.


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