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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:41 pm 
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It also seems to be missing the forest for the trees to complain about Parker's lack of effort on defense when Boylen's 90s bullshit has the team en route to being one of the worst offenses of all time and is no doubt instilling tons of bad habits on all of the core pieces we're ostensibly supposed to be so worried about developing.


My complaints about Parker are divorced from the overall performance of the team - I simply don't care about this season, I've written it off. It's a joke. To go even further, I've written this entire organization off following the hiring of Hoiberg. Even more so if that's possible once they signed Wade and Rondo. I think I had a debate one time with FF about how much of a joke this team/organization is relative to the rest of the league. I think they're the biggest joke in the NBA given the size of the city and market. There's no way any organization that has the resources we have should be as poorly run as we are. So yeah... definitely not missing the forest here. I don't care about Parker, Boylen, etc. Nothing matters until we get some proper leadership.


So to sum it up you only care about the Bulls when they win?


Not necessarily. I'll watch when a team has some sort of direction and a path to competitiveness. I watched the early Hinrich/Gordon/Deng years even though they weren't winning but you could tell something was developing. And even though they never got past the second round I'd still say it was an enjoyable period and that I felt the investment of time and energy as a fan was worth it.

But in this sad era of Bulls "basketball" there's no way I'm spending any time whatsoever watching Cameron Payne or whomever getting stripped and crossed over by Stephen Curry before he lays it up to put the Warriors up 85-32 during the second quarter in the middle of December. No thanks. You can have that and more power to you for watching that shit.


The Bulls actually have guys worth watching now. Lauri Dunn Carter and Lavine are intriguing players. There isn't a person that can say for sure what they are and the Gordon and Deng analogy is a terrible one since they made the playoffs in their first season on the roster.


The Bears have been shitty for the better part of 10 years and I'm quite certain you were quite interested.


I say that to say this. If winning and ambiguous things like "direction" were prerequisites your Bear interest would have waned years ago. I'm sure you agonized with the team and its fans when they were shitty because you were a big fan.

Its the same when it comes to the Bulls. I'm not just a fan when they have players like Jordan. I was a fan when they had David Greenwood, Ricky Sobers, Jay Williams and Eddy Curry.

Thats what fans particularly die hard fans do.
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They're interesting players but these are dead times in their careers. They're putting up empty stats on a team heading nowhere. Not interested.

What makes you think I paid attention to the Bears when they sucked? I have no idea of the little details of the past three or so seasons before this one. The last time I watched closely was during Trestman's first year when they were looking good. When my teams are bad I enjoy tuning in to GM talk and thinking about transactions and other moves they can make to improve their situation. I don't pay attention to the actual sport on the field/court on a day to day basis. I'd actually play basketball during a Bulls game when they suck instead of watching them. That may not make me a die hard fan according to you and I'm fine with that - I have no problem as a fan admitting that my interest in the day to day details isn't there when the team sucks. I'm at peace with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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You seem to be misreading my posts - I'm not telling anyone how to act as a fan, I am telling you how I act as a fan.


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Who cares it's a lost season. Stop wasting your life on this shitty organization.

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You seem to be misreading my posts - I'm not telling anyone how to act as a fan, I am telling you how I act as a fan.


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Who cares it's a lost season. Stop wasting your life on this shitty organization.


Lighten up man and pick up on some social cues.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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You seem to be misreading my posts - I'm not telling anyone how to act as a fan, I am telling you how I act as a fan.


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Who cares it's a lost season. Stop wasting your life on this shitty organization.


Lighten up man and pick up on some social cues.



Just accept that you contradicted yourself and move on. Not interested in social cues. If it was intentional then hardy har har har.

Oh I see what you did but it rings a little hollow coming from.a guy that feels the same way.

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Another reason this clown needs to axed.
So much for company man KC.


Jabari Parker — warts and all — deserves another chance to play

Jabari Parker, the former Simeon star, joined the Bulls after 4 seasons with the Bucks.

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Free Jabari Parker.

That used to be a lighthearted, third-person reference Bobby Portis used during his rookie season as he sat behind Taj Gibson and Nikola Mirotic. It even led to a #freeBobbyPortis hashtag on Twitter.


In Parker’s case, it’s serious stuff for the Bulls.

Parker didn’t play again Wednesday against the Trail Blazers in Portland, Ore. Since coach Jim Boylen removed him from the rotation Dec. 15, Parker has logged just 14 minutes, 19 seconds of playing time.


Boylen has stated publicly his reasons for benching Parker center around defensive and effort issues, as well as no player being bigger than the team. Like Fred Hoiberg before him, Boylen also isn’t comfortable playing Parker at small forward.

He still can help a struggling second unit.


In November, Parker averaged 17.4 points, 7.7 rebounds and 2.6 assists in 34.2 minutes per game. In the first three games of December, before his role changed, Parker averaged 16.3 points, 9 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 28 minutes.

The Bulls own the NBA’s worst offense by a full 2.43 points every 100 possessions. They currently are playing Shaquille Harrison, whom the Suns waived in training camp, as the backup small forward to rookie Chandler Hutchison.

This is the same Hutchison who everybody, including management, figured would be backing up Parker at small forward with Justin Holiday as the odd man out after Parker signed a two-year, $40 million deal in free agency.

This has nothing to do with Harrison, a limited, defensive-minded player who should be lauded for maximizing his opportunity. Boylen said he loves him because he’s a “yes-sir, no-sir guy who cares about the team.” Play him at backup shooting guard.

It has everything to do with the Bulls too quickly shelving the “Parker at small forward” experiment and now employing a double standard to keep him rooted to the bench.

The Bulls believe Parker doesn’t guard. Antonio Blakeney does? The Bulls believe Parker occasionally disconnects from the team. Jimmy Butler used to dress in a separate area of the locker room with his personal trainer — away from the team.


As for the effort issues, that’s harder to defend. Parker hasn’t responded to his benching with consistently strong practice habits. He indisputably has had several glaring instances of poor defensive transition, times when he jogged back leisurely on defense.

Parker admitted to these in an interview with the Tribune on Dec. 29 in Toronto.

“Nobody is perfect in transition,” he said. “I’ve improved on all facets. You can’t just point out a few mistakes and say, ‘Hey, you got to sit out.’ That’s not the game because I offer so much to it. I give another threat on offense that can help the team. I’m a willing passer. And I rebound. It’s not just transition defense.”

Still, the whole situation is head-scratching. Management publicly acknowledged Parker didn’t represent a perfect lineup fit when he signed. His best minutes — and defensive play — have come at power forward, where the Bulls are set with Lauri Markkanen and Portis.

But the plan — in a developmental, not-win-now season, it should be emphasized — was to toss him to the wolves defensively at small forward to see how his offensive talent fit alongside the future core. As Parker said in that interview in Toronto, he “kept (his) end of the bargain.”

In other words, he’s the same player, warts and all, the Bulls targeted in free agency.

This isn’t a debate about whether the Bulls should’ve signed him in the first place. It’s suggesting that because they did, he should play. Parker is a versatile scorer and willing passer who can help a second unit that currently includes Harrison, Blakeney and Ryan Arcidiacono.

Players from other teams have noticed. Even after two ACL surgeries, Parker is a former No. 2 pick whose offensive prowess is recognized. His benching is one of the first subjects players from other teams raise when they’re talking casually about the Bulls.

And leading up to a summer in which the Bulls have ample salary-cap space for free agents, goodwill is helpful.

Another way to achieve this, of course, would be to move Parker. To management’s credit, it’s working amicably with Parker’s representative to do so by the Feb. 7 trade deadline. But with Parker’s deal essentially representing an expiring contract — it carries an option that the Bulls won’t exercise, but any team trading for him could choose to do so — teams to this point haven’t been willing to part with attractive assets.

For what it’s worth, there’s another reason to play Parker: It’s hard to sell his trade value when he can’t crack the rotation of a 10-31 team.

Management has supported both Hoiberg’s decision to move Parker from starter to reserve and Boylen’s choice to move Parker to benchwarmer.

The one game Parker did play over the previous 12 came on the same Jan. 4 day executive vice president John Paxson suggested Parker could reclaim his role. Instead, Boylen said Parker’s minutes came because Holiday had just been traded and Portis hadn’t returned from his right ankle injury.

When the Bulls granted reporters access at the conclusion of Wednesday’s morning shootaround, Boylen sat next to Parker, showing him film clips on a laptop. It appeared a reprieve might be coming.

Instead, Boylen said he merely wanted to show Parker new wrinkles to the offense because he’s not getting as many practice repetitions as the regulars. And Parker was the only Bull not to play when Boylen emptied his bench near the end of the lopsided loss.

Parker doesn’t need mop-up minutes. He needs regular minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
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Wonderful.

But Jimmy and Thibs were the problem here, not Gar and Pax. Got it.

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FF please tell me who called this between me and you.

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Wonderful.

But Jimmy and Thibs were the problem here, not Gar and Pax. Got it.


Disagree on Jimmy. He's wearing out his stay in Philly shortly after doing the same in Minny.

Burn the whole thing down and get one of the Dukies.

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FF please tell me who called this between me and you.


And ltg. It was always a money thing.

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The very nadir of the franchise. Tim Floyd and Cartwright are off the hook.

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FF please tell me who called this between me and you.

You called it and I’m too depressed to even argue about why I disagreed originally.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This is why I listed the opponent for each possible game date. Most important factor.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.


Taking a break has been wonderful for me

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.


Taking a break has been wonderful for me

I don’t believe in that. I’ve watched less games so far this year than I can ever remember but I’ve still watched over a dozen and I don’t even really understand the idea of “taking a break” from being a fan of a team.

I won’t separate from the Bulls but I have been spending more time with my mistress in SA.

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Why submit yourself to this suffering?

Glad I bailed years ago.

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Why submit yourself to this suffering?

Glad I bailed years ago.

I have a 20 year rule and they aren’t approaching it.

Sox are halfway there. I might have a new MLB team by 2030.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.


Taking a break has been wonderful for me

I don’t believe in that. I’ve watched less games so far this year than I can ever remember but I’ve still watched over a dozen and I don’t even really understand the idea of “taking a break” from being a fan of a team.

I won’t separate from the Bulls but I have been spending more time with my mistress in SA.


I don't pay attention to the day to day details during times like this. They run their team like a joke so why should I invest any time and energy? I pay attention to the trade rumors, the draft, etc. Much more interesting. If we had a rookie/young phenom then I'd pay attention to him from time to time. Lauri comes close.

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We have a promising rookie. The dumb fuck coach that just got an unofficial extension benched him :lol:

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.


Depends on how much he is getting paid. I wonder what the bump will be for him. If its something like a mil or 1.5 i think they will eat that.

He was going to get paid anyway. They can't come back with clown and think that people are going to take them seriously.

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Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.

Thibs currently being paid by two teams to not coach them. Respect the hustle.

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veganfan21 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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FrankDrebin wrote:
Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.


Depends on how much he is getting paid. I wonder what the bump will be for him. If its something like a mil or 1.5 i think they will eat that.

He was going to get paid anyway. They can't come back with clown and think that people are going to take them seriously.


So basically you think the Bulls will pay three coaches next year. Let's see how Zeph responds to this. I'm gonna get my popcorn. Zeph, you're up my friend.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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FrankDrebin wrote:
Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.

Thibs currently being paid by two teams to not coach them. Respect the hustle.


Bit off more than he could chew with the prez thing.

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veganfan21 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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FrankDrebin wrote:
Still want to do that Bulls game get-together? :lol: :lol:

This franchise is constantly testing my loyalty. Very tough remaining a fan but I will.



It looks like they are merely bumping his salary on an existing deal. He had guaranteed money anyway from his assistant deal with the same amount of years.

I think he still gets whacked as Head Coach after this year.


They will not pay three coaches.


Depends on how much he is getting paid. I wonder what the bump will be for him. If its something like a mil or 1.5 i think they will eat that.

He was going to get paid anyway. They can't come back with clown and think that people are going to take them seriously.


So basically you think the Bulls will pay three coaches next year. Let's see how Zeph responds to this. I'm gonna get my popcorn. Zeph, you're up my friend.



The Bulls are currently paying a 23 year old kid $20 mil to sit.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Jim Boylen
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:38 pm 
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That's different. Some other team could easily pick up his salary for the rest of the season following a trade. A fired coach's salary is a sunken cost.

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