He probably won't be traded. He is currently being paid to sit and watch guys that make a lot less play.

If the Bulls bring Boylen back then they will validate everything that everyone has said about them.

Even the "company guys" Smith and Johnson are openly questioning the moves of this idiot. I haven't read or heard anyone say that he is a good coach.

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It's about money.

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If he gets brought back I will agree. Not going to fight that fight. My point is that the increase isn't that great and he was going to get paid anyway.

4-5 mil to hire a new coach is a drop in the bucket.

I just don't think he will be brought back. Particularly if the players start quitting on him.

Lastly if it were simply about money and not the product on the floor then why not simply retain Hoiberg and let him finish out the contract?

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But again salaries for team players are different than salaries for coaches. They come out of different pools. A team has to spend a minimum amount on players anyway. If trading Parker takes them under the salary floor then they just have to get back guys who are making around the same anyway so the point about him sitting and making 20M is irrelevant.

The cost is not 4-5 if they hire a new coach. It's 4-5 for the new guy, 5 for Hoiberg, and whatever it is gonna be for Boylen. That's at least ten million next year for the head coach position. That's not happening.

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Why not simply retain Hoiberg? That would have been the cheapest thing to do.

I don't think you get the point about Parker. They are throwing money away by not playing him. If they can waste 20 mil on him then they can most certainly spring for a new coach.

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I unfortunately but predictably am with you on this one. And I'm almost to the point where it's not even just about money; I'm starting to think Paxson himself completely buys into Boylen's rah rah effort bullshit and 1990s offense. Saying it's just about money is almost too generous to GarPax's competence for me.

To take the other side, people have been suggesting this isn't the biggest raise in the world and is almost standard operating procedure for a promote assistant. The numbers from Woj's tweet, $1 million guaranteed out of 1.6 million, suggest the Bulls shouldn't just have to stick with him. I just fear they're still going to however.

I’m prepared for anything after this. I envision them actually landing the number one overall pick and then trading it for Tim Hardaway Jr or something.

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Garpax made a call to ax Hoiberg because he was underperforming, as most everyone here knew for a long time. To minimize the financial repercussions of that move they installed Boylen as HC for this year and most probably next year. I think the only way they fire Boylen and hire a new guy is if the public perception of Boylen is so bad that they think it'll affect attendence figures for next year or other concerns related to revenue. Otherwise, absent that kind of PR disaster, I think they keep Boylen as a low paid HC just to again minimize costs for the HC since they're still paying Hoiberg. Once Hoiberg is off the books they have more freedom to shop around.

Another reason it doesn't look like they'll get a new HC is the basic presentation they'll have to make to the other executives:

Garpax: Boylen sucks so we need to hire a new guy.

Executives: so you want to pay three coaches next year? Will this new guy get you to the playoffs so we can at least get a decent ROi for all this dough you want to spend on three coaches?

Garpax: no we're not making the playoffs next year

Executives: [blank stares]

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You aren't making much sense. You keep suggesting that it is about money and not results yet in Hoiberg's case it was about lack of results. If Garpax are unconcerned about results then they would have retained Hoiberg.


I think they knew the day they hired Boylen as head coach that he was nothing more than a glorified assistant coach. They outwardly support him because they don't want the team to quit on him. They still have to evaluate the young core in order too see what they have going forward. If Boylen is known to be a lame duck then players might quit and simply wait on the new guy to come aboard.


1 mil is peanuts to eat. They have left themselves too much wiggle room for a guy they supposedly are backing.

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Maybe the Bulls put Boylen in place to give themselves the best chance of getting the first pick. Hoiberg would have gotten them to around the 8-10 worst record like last last. Maybe Jim will keep them in the running for the worst record all year.

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This stretch has been Tim Floyd-era bad...actually worse considering the talent.

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Hoiberg 5-19, Boylen 5-17 with guys back from injuries, cool cool. Hope they lose the next two for symmetry's sake.

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For the moment, Bulls' management supports Boylen. I don't expect this to last too long and I'd be shocked if Boylen coaches the Bulls into next season. There are reasons for some guys being career assistant coaches. Boylen's in over his head.

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For the moment, Bulls' management supports Boylen. I don't expect this to last too long and I'd be shocked if Boylen coaches the Bulls into next season. There are reasons for some guys being career assistant coaches. Boylen's in over his head.

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For the moment, Bulls' management supports Boylen. I don't expect this to last too long and I'd be shocked if Boylen coaches the Bulls into next season. There are reasons for some guys being career assistant coaches. Boylen's in over his head.

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He is cooked at the end of the year. Book It!

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He is doing what needs to be done.

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That can't bring this genius back. Even the optics are bad with him. There is no way he is an NBA caliber coach. Guys are regressing under him.

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Money

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We will see. I don't think that GarPax would be stupid enough to base their decision on that. The fact that he only received a slight bump in salary speaks volumes. An extra 4-5 mil for an NBA caliber coach isn't all that much.

If they bring him back I wholeheartedly agree it will be because of money.

Boylen doesn't seem to have much support from people connected to the Bulls. I haven't heard Stacey say positive things about him. In fact he has been openly Critical. So has Sam Smith and K.C.

Its one of the primary reasons i think he is a goner.

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Again the cost for the HC role isn't going to be 4-5M next year if they hire a new guy.

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Who do you hope will be the coach next year and who do you think is a likely hire?

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I am holding out a glimmer of hope that they have him around because they know it will help the tank and get them a top draft pick.

But they will probably screw it up again. They will probably win 7 in a row at some point and get the 4th pick in a 3 player draft.

If Boylen is around next year the fans should riot and not show up to games...I know that wont happen... but something needs to change how they view things

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He(Boylen) may be the worst NBA coach I have ever seen.

I have no clue. i think it will be a first time guy though if you go off their history.

Skiles is the only guy to have NBA head coaching experience prior to taking the Bulls job since They hired Collins. Every other coach including Collins was a first time hire.

I would rather that they hire an Offensive minded Coach. Unfortunately i dont know if anyof those type of guys are available.

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I'd like them to hire Stackhouse.

I think that would be a good move. No track record but he is one of the more highly regarded assistants in the league.

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If Pop coached this bunch how many would they win ????? That answers a lot

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Big tank game today. Gotta get an L vs the Cavs. They have the Cavs and Hawks this week.

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