Derrick Rose is the pick at #1. I'd be very excited even if the Bulls had the #2 pick and were going to get whoever else but I think the fact that Rose can make everyone else better gives him the edge.

Be scared of the Heat if the Bulls draft Beasley. Wade and Rose will be a dynamic combination and immediately puts the Heat above every team in the East besides the Celtics and Pistons(who are destined for steep dropoffs in production soon) and on the same level as the Cavs. The Heat will benefit more from this draft than the Bulls do. I think they are much improved with Beasley, but not nearly as much as they do from Rose.

The third pick is tough. I must say that I think Brook Lopez is a bad choice. He has height but I was never impressed by him in college. I know you can't go completely off of that but I don't think he will end up having the third best career of the players in this draft. I think that OJ Mayo is the next best player and if you need a center, you trade down a few spots.

After Beasley and Rose, I think you can make a case for all of these guys.
OJ Mayo-Probably the next best player.
Eric Gordon-A great scorer. A bigger and stronger Ben Gordon. Draft stock dropped a little with how he finished the season. He seemed more concerned about getting his shots than the team. This may be a sign of some attitude issues or he could have just gotten fed up with the craziness around the program. He'll be better than Ben Gordon.
Jerryd Bayless- I'm not sure what position he is in the NBA. He's definitely good but I think he'll have problems playing either point guard or shooting guard. I'd rather have Gordon or Mayo.
Danillo Gallinari-???, I don't follow international basketball but he seems to be popular at this level

The next level includes more post players. It seems like you have to pay a high pick for height.
Brook Lopez- The best post player after Beasley, but not on the same level. I think he will be a good player, but not a franchise player which makes it hard to argue he can be picked as high as 3.
Anthony Randolph- Definitely a project. Could be a big bust. Should have returned to LSU but if he goes top ten he made the right call.
Kevin Love- I loved watching him as a college player. His lack of athleticism will show in the NBA. He has all the fundamentals you would want. At worst, he's a solid NBA center. I'm imagining a vlade divac or sabonis type player at best.
DeAndre Jordan-Great potential. If this draft was off potential, he would go third. There is lots of work to do for him though. No immediate impact.
DJ Augustin- The only guard I have at this level. He has a chance to be a great PG. His size will make things difficult on him and some PG's in the league are going to dominate him in the post. Would be a good player to take a chance on at 10-15.
Kosta Koufas-This is a reach, but he could end up being a steal if you get him late enough. He was not impressive at all at OSU. He was highly touted out of high school and you draft him off potential. He didn't deserve to be here based off of his play last season but he's got potential too.

Here are a couple steals in the draft compared to where they probably will go.
DJ White-If a playoff team gets him it will be a steal. I can see him having a Jason Maxiell type career. He can provide defense and rebounding. He'll be a liability on offense outside of 5 feet.
Chris Douglas Roberts- He could have a long career as a role player.

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The only thing I am gonna disagree with out of everything you said is Detroit is not setup for a steep dropoff in production at all I dont think. Stuckey could easily end up being the best rookie from this class. None of the other guys are Spurs-like old. Tayshaun Prince still has a good 5 years left of his prime and is arguably the best defender in the league.

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True...but Billups, 'Sheed and Hamilton I would say are on the decline..certainly no longer at their 'peak' although still great players. It's possible any of them could have a steep dropoff in production and although Prince and Stuckey and some of the bench is young I don't think they can carry a team by themselves

I wouldnt say Billups and Rip are on the decline yet. Actually Rip is playing as well as I have ever seen him play over the past 10 or so games I would say. I wouldnt be surprised if they started declining by next season, but I think when healthy they are as good as they have ever been. I agree with you on 'Sheed. Is it me, or does anyone else seem to think McDyess is actually getting better? What a strange career. Also I think Maxiell will still improve. Not enough to be a main player, but he's already a valuable role player and I think he can get better.

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I'll believe it when I see it with Rodney Stuckey. He obviously could end up being good to great but he won't be better than Durant and Oden if they stay healthy.

I see almost all of their core guys in line for a steep decline. Sheed, Hamilton, and Billups are going to decline every year from now on.

I don't think a future of Rodney Stuckey, Jason Maxiell, and Tayshaun Prince are championship quality. They won't be terrible but I'd take the Bulls + whoever they draft over that core.

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I noticed the same thing. His time in Detroit has quetly rejuvenated his career and he looks like he's 10 years younger. He's making sure he'll be remembered for his recent years with the Pistons and not for his injury-plagued past.

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We are seeing it with Stuckey. He's played very, very well when being forced to step in for an injured Billups. He was also injured the first 25 games of the season so he has had an even shorter learning curve than all other rookies. I dont see how you can have a definitive opinion on Oden yet, he hasnt even played one game. I dont think Durant did anything that impressive. He put up some good ppg numbers and nothing else on a terrible team. I do think he should have been ROY, but I dont think any rookie was OUTSTANDING. Horford showed more potential than Durant did. I think Stuckey is showing as much or more than anyone else. Reminds me of Wade, I think as a rookie, stepping up his game against the Hornets I think it was, in the playoffs. Rookies who play well in the playoffs usually are the real thing.

As for the Billups and Rip issue, Rip just turned 30 years old and is having a better playoff stretch than we usually have seen from him. He's playing better than ever. Billups will be 32 by the time next season starts, so its fair to guess he will start declining, but I thought he was as good as he's been during the regular season. He's had an up and down postseason, to be sure.

The other reason I think the Pistons have a more solid future than the Bulls is because I trust Dumars over Paxson any day as a personell guy. He's a very good talent evaluator and he already has enough pieces to work with to not have a big dropoff while transitioning to a new era of Pistons basketball roster- wise.

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This really isnt that outrageous of a statement. What did KD do besides score 20 ppg with a bad percentage on a terrible team? What skills did he exhibit besides that? I think your statement of "no chance" he will easily be the best player in the draft is more crazy and outrageous. How the hell would you, or I, know? Im just saying its a definite possiblity. It is.

As for Stuckey, it takes a different type of player to be able to play with talented players around him, right off the bat. Maybe I just recognize potential more than you do, or give it more credit than you do. Stuckey has played very well at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Rookies seldom excel in the playoffs and dissappoint going forwards.

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I don't really care that Derrick Rose is a Chicago guy. I am basing some of it off of the tournament. I don't know what else I could do. Anyone who is calling for Beasley is doing it for his regular season play.

I don't think you remember Deron Williams in college. Dee Brown was the better college player (or at least got the awards). Chris Paul was very good in college but improved(or adjusted) quickly. I don't think it would be fair to expect Derrick Rose to be Chris Paul next year.

You talk about Derrick Rose pretty unrealistically. In that post, you said that he can't shoot, is very raw, and he doesn't know what he is doing. If that was really true, we'd be looking at Derrick Rose drafted at 10 or 15. Derrick Rose was some poor free throw shooting from being the MOP in the tournament. If he didn't know what he was doing and was the best player in the tournament, then Rose is better than I even think. As for Memphis being in a terrible conference, who cares? The Big 12, besides one team, was not significantly better and Kansas State had a much worse season than Memphis. Strength of conference has very little to do with anything in this debate. The Big 12, at best, was the third best conference in the country.

If you think Rose and Wade have the same style of play then you haven't seen enough of Rose. Rose is a PG. Wade is more fit to be a shooting guard. They both are fast. They will compliment each other very well. A healthy Dwayne Wade and Derrick Rose will be a great guard combo. Either way, the Heat will be much improved next year with Beasley or Rose.

There is no way that Rose ends up being a below average NBA player(except injury). He'll be a top 15 PG the first day he laces them up for the Bulls. Rose would be the best PG on the Bulls if drafted.

Beasley will be a very solid player and would be a great addition. He will put up good numbers. He also has some character issues. I will be excited about Beasley if that is who gets chosen, but I think Rose will have a much larger impact in his career. Beasley may put up better numbers next year.

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It's absurd to say Wade is a bad shooter. Perhaps you meant neither is an outside shooter. Wade is an excellent shooter from 18-20 feet.

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I wish the Bulls had a bad shooter like Wade.

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I dont think I over-rate them at all. You seem to confuse me saying "They can be" to "they are". You did that with my Rondo statement. Also, I was right about Chris Paul. I'm very confident I will be right about Stuckey. Name me the last rookie to be an impact player in the playoffs and then be a bust. It very rarely happens. You could see the writing on the wall with Wade. Im not going crazy and saying he will be Wade, but you can see the similar writing on the wall. He has a very well rounded game. KD is a very one dimensional player.

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Personality conflicts aside, in a basketball sense I definitely think MJ could have played with Isaih.

As for your LMAO and your assessment of Wade, uh... are we still in 2004? Before his injury this season it was completely obvious to anyone who follows the league that Wade had developed an all around game and was a dangerous jump shooter. Not on Kobe's level, but to call him just a slasher is an insult and simply not true. After the 2006 season there were people who are respected in NBA circles saying he was the best player in the league. I never thought that, but I stand by my statement that I think its absurd you would call him a poor shooter. Usually we see the same things and disagree on it, but on this I dont know who you were watching but I doubt his name was Dwyane Wade.

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Let's not go nuts here. Derrick Rose shot 33% from the three point line in college. He shot 47% for the season. One can only assume that he can hit a 15 foot shot somewhere in the middle of those numbers.

The way you are describing Derrick Rose goes against him being the consensus 1 or 2 pick. If your scouting report was right, he wouldn't be a top ten pick.

I definitely think that Isiah could have played with MJ. He certainly would have been an upgrade over BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, or whoever else.

Derrick Rose is a PG. Dwayne Wade is a SG. Just because they are similar in height doesn't matter. Would it be better if Rose was shorter or is that an attribute that is a positive?

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Thats very impressive considering he is a Power Forward.

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I think they would have been fine playing team ball together, but we are talking about the GOAT and possibly the best PG ever. Not exactly Wade and Rose. At any rate I get your point.

I guess we just wont agree on Wade. 15-20 feet I consider him a very good shooter, although its obvious his strength is taking it to the basket. Thats one of the reasons I consider him such a great player, he can do it all except three point shooting, but unlike LeBron at least he always plays to his strengths and not his weaknesses.

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Skill set is more important than body size in terms of position. Beasley is a PF. I've never seen anything saying C or even PF/C like Duncan.

As for Rose, I think its absurd to say he'll dominate the league his rookie season. I think he'll be a 12-6-4 guy with alot of turnovers but alot of promise. I dont think he will light the league on fire like Paul in his rookie year, but I think he will make a leap to being a top PG in his second season like Deron did.

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Don't know where to start on this one.

This is a pretty crazy statement. Derrick Rose was the best PG in the country in high school and was a top 5 pick last year if he could have gone to the NBA. It's not even close to the same comparison.


I wouldn't call them facts. Rose needs to improve his shooting, but that doesn't mean he can't shoot. He shot 47% in college. He will obviously be better if he improves his shooting but there are a ton of NBA guards that would love to shoot 47%. Kirk Hinrich shot 47% his senior year.

So am I correct that you are predicting Douglas-Roberts to be a better NBA player over Rose? You stated that you knew Williams was better than Brown. Are you going out on that same limb?


If the Bulls draft Rose, he will be starting by game 20. If he isn't starting, he will be getting equal minutes of Hinrich and Duhon will be on the bench or cut.

Let's just be clear. Please tell me if any of these are wrong.
Chris Douglas-Roberts will be a better NBA player than Derrick Rose.
Chris Duhon will get more minutes and be more productive than Derrick Rose next year.
Derrick Rose won't start over Hinrich.
Derrick Rose won't average 10 points next year.
Anything you disagree with?


Now, besides the top 5 center in the East since he's a PF and is more likely to end up a SF in college than a C I can at least see your scenario happening.
The problem is that your last quote goes against pretty much everything else you have said. For someone that can't shoot, wasn't the best player on his college team, and is as raw as Tyrus Thomas, you have him going as high as 20 and 14.

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Yeah thats a tough list to make out. Kobe is the clear number 1. Behind him Duncan and Wade, then Paul and Deron, then theres several others, Billups comes to mind off the top of my head.

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The "experts" estimate Beasly to be 6'8 1/2" with shoes on right now and about 6'7 1/2" without. He is slotted as a tweaner which is usually a kiss of death.
He doesn't like to play with his back to the hoop, and most of his inside game consists of facing the basket.
He's between a smaller Chris Bosh or a bigger Gerald Wallace which the Bulls already have in Deng.

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I've actually watched as much tape on both as I can find believe it or not, and Beasley is clearly a PF. And maybe its splitting hairs but I find 12-6-4 to be significantly better than 8-5 as a rookie.

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But you agree with the rest of those?

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Quick note on the Duhon thing, all three of us realize he wont be on the Bulls next season regardless of the pick, correct?

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Well Im clearly gonna say Paul is, but I can see the argument for Billups. Im not sure about Deron either, but hes right in there with them.

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The reason Duhon won't get playing time over Derrick Rose is because Duhon isn't a very good player. It has nothing to do with when he was picked. Tyrus Thomas was a very high pick and he can't get playing time on a team that lacks size.

If Derrick Rose is going into the NBA worse than Duhon then he shouldn't be a top ten pick.

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Actually the reason Duhon wont get playing time over Derrick Rose is because they wont be playing on the same team next season.

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Bosh is listed at 6'10"- 230.
If Beasly ends up being as good as Bosh, any team that drafts him would be exctatic.

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We'll find out Beasley's height later this week at the pre-draft camp.

Notice Stuckey was pretty much Detroit's go-to guy the last minute. Granted he missed the FT he shoulda made, and made the one he shoulda missed , but his team has all the confidence in the world in him. He's gonna be good.

2nd thought... Theres no way Rip is on the decline yet. He has at least two more seasons at this level. He's played extremely well in the postseason. His defense has really come a long way since his days with MJ.

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