Frank-that was exactly what MADE me root more for the Sox, back in 2005. I have several close friends who are loyal Sox fans. For their sake, I was rooting for the Sox to win the World Series. I even made it to a first round playoff game (#2 where Iguchi hit the 3 run homer, after Graffanino's error) that year. I liked the brand of baseball they were playing too. Very solid fundamental-team ball. It was a pleasure to watch. When the Sox did win the Championship. I was thrilled for all my White Sox buddies. It was a fun time for me too, just nowhere near what a Cub's title will be. I don't get why some Sox fans just can't handle the idea of the Cub's winning one too. Why they won't be similarly happy for their friends, relatives and neighbors when: THE CUBS END THE WAIT IN 2008!!!!

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great...another slogan. put that on a t-shirt Steve.


since 10/5 i find myself following the lyrics of the song,
"root for the home team"

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it'll have to be changed in a few years anyway to...

the cubs end the wait in two thousand and eight...een.

That rivalry is huge. Just ask Tommy Lasorda. It goes back to when they were the New York Giants and the Brooklyn Dodgers. Much bigger rivalry than Cubs/Sox- which might be the top interleague rivalry, but can't top rivalries like Yanks/Sawks, Cubs/Cards, Giants/Dodgers, etc.

Yes, as a Giants fan, I understand some of their fans disliking the Dodgers. But it's because they are the closest division rival...and it's a a team 400 miles away. I understand Cubs fans feeling a rivalry with the Cardinals, or Sox fans having a thing for the Tigers, Indians or Pirannhas. I was talking about having so much animosity for a team in your same city from the other league. The Sox-Cubs thing has nothing to do with a rivalry to win the same league championship. For most of the history of the two Chicago teams, they didn't even play each other.

Both are filled with disgruntled fans and for years those teams could not beat up on anybody else. Why not beat up on each other?

Do the Mets and Yankees not like each other? It's not common to have 2 teams so close but in different leagues. The only other one I can think of besides yankees/mets is 49ers/Raiders. You could toss out Eagles/Steelers or Indians/Reds but they aren't close together. Indians and Reds fans will talk shit to each other though.

A's/Giants & Dodgers/Angels as well

I don't think there is as much hate for the other team in those examples. Not as much as we have here. Maybe not hate but joy that the other team is losing. It's not everybody. It's probably more Sox fans hating the Cubs than the other way. I don't like the Cubs. The only time I root for them to lose is if I had a bad day. Just to take my frustration out on something. Might as well be the Cubs.

Mets fans probably are the most similar to Sox fans. They are the less publicized team in their town. They probably recent that. Sox fans feel that way too. I don't care. We have plenty of fans in this city. It will never be as many as Cubs fans. Doesn't bother me.

I've always considered the Raiders/Chiefs rivalry to be an odd one, at lesat geographically. In fact, I can't think of a major, prolonged rivalry that spans a larger geographical area. I know there are temporary ones, like when the Heat with Shaq wuould play the Lakers with Kobe, or even the Lakers and Celtics of the 80s, but the Chiefs/Raiders rivalry is a permanent thing.

Close non-rivalries... hmmm... Colts/Bears comes close (even in places like Champaign where there's fans of both.) Ravens/Redskins, but maybe that doesn't count because the Ravens are relatively new. Orioles/Nationals, similarly. Do the Padres have any rivalries?

That's only cuz Chiefs/Raiders are in the same division. It's understandable.

You don't see it that often cuz divisions don't have teams that far a part. Raiders and Chiefs is the only example. they play twice a year and both have good historys.

Sox used to be in the AL West for a while. Starting in the late 60's. Those rivals never became anything cuz we always sucked. But our rivals included the A's, Angels, and Mariners.

Cubs, on the other hand, were in the NL east. Closer rivals.

Then in 1994 they gave both leagues "the central division".

How about Cowboys/Giants? Cowboys/Redskins? Cowboys/Eagles?

Why are these rivals? Well, cuz they've been in the same division for years. Cowboys have always been good.

Cowboys/Redskins is the biggest rivalry. Probably equal to Chiefs/Raiders. Same distance from each other.

Those are good long-distance rivalries too. Once again, divisional though. I'm really racking my brain for non-divisional, distant rivalries, or really any non-divisional rivalries like the Cubs and Sox. The best I can do are college-type examples (Georgia/GT is an example of a non-divisional and yet very venomous rivalry, maybe USC/Notre Dame is an example of a distant, non-conference rivalry.) We have Indy/NE in football, but that will disappear when the QBs retire. Are the 49ers/Cowboys still considered a rivalry?

Here is a weird one.

Atlanta Braves were in the Western division for a long time. Explain that? Had to make it equal when they moved from Milwaukee. So they made them be in the West. They sucked in the 70's and 80's. Didn't have big rivalrys cuz of this.

They eventually moved to the East in 1994 when baseball went to 3 divisions.

When they started there greatness in 1991 they had nice rivalries with the Giants and Dodgers.

Bulls/Knicks was a nice rivalry for a while. Still can be. Different divisions there.

USC/ND is the best example that you came up with.

Still, that was a fluke because the teams happened to be good all around the same time. I don't think they amount to much now.

Here's one that's a little weird, and maybe one-sided in terms of hate; Baltimore/Indy in football. I think a lot of people are still bitter about the Colts move, which is ironic, because I'm sure a lot of people in Cleveland are bitter about the Browns moving to Baltimore.

Weren't the Falcons, Saints and 49ers all in the same division before the NFL realignment? That was assinine.

Yeah. Falcons and Saints were in the West with the Rams and 49ers.

They corrected that. They pulled Tampa from the Bears division and Carolina got a franchise. That made the NFC South.

In the early days it had to be weird like that. Teams weren't evenly split around the country.

Baltimore/Clevalnd works out well cuz they happen to be in the same division. Plus the hate for Modell makes it that much more intense

I feel bad for the fans of the teams that got herded into the miscellaneous divisions after the NFL realignment. The Colts were taken away from all their rivalries and sent into the hodgepodge AFC South. They left the NFC Central basically the same, but Tampa Bay was sent away with no teams like that. It still made sense though.

Cubs/Mets is still a rivalry for older guys because of 69. I was born in 86 though, and I can't remember ever having been taught to hate the Mets like I was for the Cardinals.

I'm not that old but I have to explain to people my age or younger about baseball.

There used to be no divisions until 1969. It was just the AL and the NL.

There was no playoffs until 1969 when they made East and West divisions. Winner of the NL used to play the winner of the AL in the World Series. That's how it was for 70 years.

The Sox actually had good teams in the 50's and 60's. A few 90 win teams. Over .500 a lot. But they always lost to the Yankees. Yankees always won the league. Always played in the World Series.

So while the Sox have a shitty history a lot of it is because the Yankees were so great. Sox had some good teams.

My dad tells me Yankees/White Sox was huge when he was a kid.

pretty much it's long island, queens = mets fans. everywhere else = yankee fans.

when i was growing up in upstate ny, i liked the mets, i hated the yankees...my next door neighbor was a yankees/football giants guy and i hated both of those teams...

i can understand the hatred for the mets from cubs fans, but i don't really feel it as much because there's still a nostalgic factor with me and the mets. some good memories when i was a kid, watching doc gooden and darryl strawberry (who was my favorite player growing up); back then i was too young to understand the game and by the time i did, i was pretty much a full fledged cubs fan...maybe i should've stayed a mets fan.

from what i remember, mets fans don't want to get into it about the yankees, but they do respect them--it's not as heated as the cubs/white sox rivalry.

as a saints fan, i grew up hating the niners, the rams, and the falcons; i've softened on the niners but i still hate the rams, even if they're not in our division, and i will always, always, always despise the falcons.

and i hate the cowboys, but everyone should.

Jermaine gave the Indians a dye job last week with his two HR game.

No, not really. UGA kicked the hell out of Tech so many years, even when they attempt to key up that 'rivalry' it's laughable. Fla St./Miami/Fla's rivalries are pretty damned intense though. You are right though about the long distance rivalries, absent the involvement of long term marqee teams or older fans who remember 'wayback', they don't really exist.

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That's not completely true. It's been a bit lop-sided of late but the matchup is fairly even over the history, especially if you throw out the past decade or so. Georgia Tech also won the national championship in 1990, which is a while ago now but not so far that they don't have a claim to being a major program. And Georgia/GT people HATE each other, I mean, really hate. They make the Cubs/Sox thing seem like a friendly tiff between Oxford buddies. GT people regard Georgia alums as moneyed, blue-blooded hicks with no sophistication or real ability, which Georgia people think GT folks are improper upstarts. It stretches well beyond the playing field.

The Florida rivalries are intense, but those teams have always been pretty good. I chose the Georgia one because it is a rivalry that has survived down times.

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DING DING DING!
Winner. Well said KC and Favre.

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Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

Thinking of the wrong guy. On the Cubs/Sox issue Vince has repeatedly shown he can be as big a meatball as anybody on either side.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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It was indeed Badger Vince I was thinking of, who said this on pg. 3 of the "Danny Woo Woo" thread.

Well thats pretty hypocritical of Vince. He does as much meatball shit flinging as anyone on here.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

FC=Sox Fan=He Does. The majority of Sox fans care more than they should about what the Cubs are doing.

Pot, Kettle. You seem to be the biggest meatball around when it comes to this Cub Sox banter. Quoting something I wrote days ago...well done.

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It's call a REAL job. Not some chum playing in a band on the weekends with weekdays spent trolling the board with nothing to do other than to lift the gate at your factory post between posts. I'll try to keep up with you if it makes you feel better.

I am an equal opportunity finger pointer, because that is how I feel.
Sox fans watch the Cubs more that the people in the Bleachers do.
Tend to your own business.
Real Cub fans will soon (if not already) be left out of all good seats as prices continue to rise and Sox fans will be bitching because Cubs Fans fill the Cell to see the Cubs play because they can actually buy tickets to the Cell.
It has to be playing on the nerves of Sox Fans (it has Ozzie's) that no matter where the Cubs play, Cubs Fans will flock to see them and the Sox can't fill the Cell if it's 80 or 35 degrees. Personally, Id rather go to the Cell than Wrigley anymore, that is if I feel either team was worth my money. Until then, I'll keep my front row seat in my Man Room, where the beer is cold, the woman next to me is Hot and there is no waiting to go to the john.

runaway meatball.

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Just checking.

Is this the same Badger Vince that started this thread with a photoshopped picture of Rose O'Donnell making fun of the White Sox fans?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=19492&highlight=

or this from another thread?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yep, same meatball, Rick.

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