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another great game for Trae, led his team to a win on the road vs a western conference playoff contender.

26 pts (10/18), 8 assists, 1 turnover while being covered by so called good defensive players Beverly, Bradley and SGA.



Game was on NBA tv with studio hosts doing the commentary....Steve Smith and Candace Parker couldn't stop raving about Trae all night.

Same with David Griffin who mentioned a really interesting stat. Said Trae is 5th in the entire NBA in generating quality assist opportunities, but only 11th in the actual assists generated from those opportunities. Said that points to how shitty his teammates are for the most part.

When he gets surrounded by good players there's no doubt he will lead the NBA in assists.


I didn't read the thread before I posted this so excuse me if Caller Bob already posted all of this already.

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another great game for Trae, led his team to a win on the road vs a western conference playoff contender.

26 pts (10/18), 8 assists, 1 turnover while being covered by so called good defensive players Beverly, Bradley and SGA.



Game was on NBA tv with studio hosts doing the commentary....Steve Smith and Candace Parker couldn't stop raving about Trae all night.

Same with David Griffin who mentioned a really interesting stat. Said Trae is 5th in the entire NBA in generating quality assist opportunities, but only 11th in the actual assists generated from those opportunities. Said that points to how shitty his teammates are for the most part.

When he gets surrounded by good players there's no doubt he will lead the NBA in assists.


I didn't read the thread before I posted this so excuse me if Caller Bob already posted all of this already.


He put up some really fucking dumb shots late in the game tho. They were lucky the Clippers missed everything or else they would have blown that game, they were only up by 6 I believe at one point.

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why is the guy's 3PG% so horrible?

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Someone from a different message board posted this....think applies to a lot of people who are sleeping on just how good Trae has been lately.


Trae Young's been better than I thought recently.

Last 20 games - 17 points, 7 assists @ 48-37-81% with 108 O-Rating.

Just about the same as DeAaron Fox's season.

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why is the guy's 3PG% so horrible?


because of November.


38% from 3 in his last 20 games.

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why is the guy's 3PG% so horrible?


because of November.


38% from 3 in his last 20 games.


Breaking: If you take a collection of bad stats from the overall collection of a guys stats, then his stats will look better. More at 11.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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why is the guy's 3PG% so horrible?


because of November.


38% from 3 in his last 20 games.


Breaking: If you take a collection of bad stats from the overall collection of a guys stats, then his stats will look better. More at 11.



do you speak English?


So are you saying that DeAaron Fox has been bad this season since Trae's (bad) stats from the past 20 games (49 career games played) are pretty much the same as Fox's stats for his entire so called breakout season?

Fox for the season: 17.6 ppg (46/37/73), 7 apg

Trae's bad stats for last 20 games 17ppg (48/37/81), 7apg.


I guess we need to re-write the narrative that Fox is having a breakout MIP caliber season since according to you he's been bad.

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You are the dumb fuck that is arbitrarily picking a sample size to frame your argument. News flash, the bad numbers count too!


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You are the dumb fuck that is arbitrarily picking a sample size to frame your argument. News flash, the bad numbers count too!



news flash, sometimes, in very odd circumstances, some rookies actually improve and get better as the season goes along.

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another great game for Trae, led his team to a win on the road vs a western conference playoff contender.

26 pts (10/18), 8 assists, 1 turnover while being covered by so called good defensive players Beverly, Bradley and SGA.



Game was on NBA tv with studio hosts doing the commentary....Steve Smith and Candace Parker couldn't stop raving about Trae all night.

Same with David Griffin who mentioned a really interesting stat. Said Trae is 5th in the entire NBA in generating quality assist opportunities, but only 11th in the actual assists generated from those opportunities. Said that points to how shitty his teammates are for the most part.

When he gets surrounded by good players there's no doubt he will lead the NBA in assists.


I didn't read the thread before I posted this so excuse me if Caller Bob already posted all of this already.


He put up some really fucking dumb shots late in the game tho. They were lucky the Clippers missed everything or else they would have blown that game, they were only up by 6 I believe at one point.


He took 2 long 3s late, missed one and then daggered the other right in front of the Clippers bench, held the pose and stared them down afterwards. Kid is a killer.

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You are the dumb fuck that is arbitrarily picking a sample size to frame your argument. News flash, the bad numbers count too!


With all of this "improvement" the difference between his offensive/defensive rating is nearly a -20. His advanced stats are terrible even for a rookie and his shooting percentage is still at 40%. I only site that stuff because there is a certain subset that appears to need it in order to see that a guy really isn't that good. Luckily CB you aren't one of them.


Their coach benches him late in games because he doesn't trust his decision making or defense. When was the last time that a "franchise" player was routinely benched during crunch time? Since Ball has flamed out he has taken to pumping this kid. Better is only relative to how shitty that he played earlier.


If you look at the Rookie numbers of all of the elite PGS of the past 7-12 years the vast majority of them obliterate his. There is nothing about him that suggest elite. At best I will simply have to move off the Bust "Book it" stuff. When the time comes I will.

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Young had a fantastic game. Rivers said he singlehandedly controlled the game with his floor play. That's great. But objectively, Lin is STILL better. I, as much as anybody, do not want to say that and I hope by the end of the year I can objectively say the opposite.


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He took 2 long 3s late, missed one and then daggered the other right in front of the Clippers bench, held the pose and stared them down afterwards. Kid is a killer.

They were horrible horrible shots with a ton of time left on the clock late in a game where the Clippers were coming back. Like i said, he was lucky the Clippers sucked much worse because a good team comes back from 18 down on them there. He's far from a killer, he is going to cost himself late in games IF he is even on the floor then. Seems like this is one of the games where he was still on the floor late in a meaningful game.

Something about his face that makes me not like the kid, but other than that he's cool.

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He took 2 long 3s late, missed one and then daggered the other right in front of the Clippers bench, held the pose and stared them down afterwards. Kid is a killer.

They were horrible horrible shots with a ton of time left on the clock late in a game where the Clippers were coming back. Like i said, he was lucky the Clippers sucked much worse because a good team comes back from 18 down on them there. He's far from a killer, he is going to cost himself late in games IF he is even on the floor then. Seems like this is one of the games where he was still on the floor late in a meaningful game.

Something about his face that makes me not like the kid, but other than that he's cool.



he's always on the floor late in close games or any games for that measure. Anyone who says differently is a liar.

Trae's usual rotation:
Start the game, come out around halfway through the quarter. Re-enter the game with 1 or 2 minutes left in the quarter.
2nd quarter: continue playing, once again till halfway through the quarter. Come back in for the final 2 minutes.

3rd quarter: start and play 5 minutes. Rest 4-5 minutes. Come back and finish the quarter.

4th quarter: start and play 6-7 minutes. Rest 2-3 minutes and then back in the game for the final 4 minutes or so.

Maybe one time all season did he get benched in crunch time of a close game.

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He took 2 long 3s late, missed one and then daggered the other right in front of the Clippers bench, held the pose and stared them down afterwards. Kid is a killer.

They were horrible horrible shots with a ton of time left on the clock late in a game where the Clippers were coming back. Like i said, he was lucky the Clippers sucked much worse because a good team comes back from 18 down on them there. He's far from a killer, he is going to cost himself late in games IF he is even on the floor then. Seems like this is one of the games where he was still on the floor late in a meaningful game.

Something about his face that makes me not like the kid, but other than that he's cool.



he's always on the floor late in close games or any games for that measure. Anyone who says differently is a liar.

Trae's usual rotation:
Start the game, come out around halfway through the quarter. Re-enter the game with 1 or 2 minutes left in the quarter.
2nd quarter: continue playing, once again till halfway through the quarter. Come back in for the final 2 minutes.

3rd quarter: start and play 5 minutes. Rest 4-5 minutes. Come back and finish the quarter.

4th quarter: start and play 6-7 minutes. Rest 2-3 minutes and then back in the game for the final 4 minutes or so.

Maybe one time all season did he get benched in crunch time of a close game.


I was watching on NBA TV last night and pretty much all the announcers were saying the same thing as myself. I haven't watch alot of Hawks ball but the ones I did he wasn't out on the floor if the game was close late, I'm guessing too much of a liability on defense.

Maybe his face will change and I will like the kid, but as of now I want to punch him in his throat.

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Free Ajent wrote:
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He took 2 long 3s late, missed one and then daggered the other right in front of the Clippers bench, held the pose and stared them down afterwards. Kid is a killer.

They were horrible horrible shots with a ton of time left on the clock late in a game where the Clippers were coming back. Like i said, he was lucky the Clippers sucked much worse because a good team comes back from 18 down on them there. He's far from a killer, he is going to cost himself late in games IF he is even on the floor then. Seems like this is one of the games where he was still on the floor late in a meaningful game.

Something about his face that makes me not like the kid, but other than that he's cool.



he's always on the floor late in close games or any games for that measure. Anyone who says differently is a liar.

Trae's usual rotation:
Start the game, come out around halfway through the quarter. Re-enter the game with 1 or 2 minutes left in the quarter.
2nd quarter: continue playing, once again till halfway through the quarter. Come back in for the final 2 minutes.

3rd quarter: start and play 5 minutes. Rest 4-5 minutes. Come back and finish the quarter.

4th quarter: start and play 6-7 minutes. Rest 2-3 minutes and then back in the game for the final 4 minutes or so.

Maybe one time all season did he get benched in crunch time of a close game.


I was watching on NBA TV last night and pretty much all the announcers were saying the same thing as myself. I haven't watch alot of Hawks ball but the ones I did he wasn't out on the floor if the game was close late, I'm guessing too much of a liability on defense.

Maybe his face will change and I will like the kid, but as of now I want to punch him in his throat.


I watched the whole game as well and they never said that.

Please show some proof that he was being taken out of late close games or GTFO

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You are the dumb fuck that is arbitrarily picking a sample size to frame your argument. News flash, the bad numbers count too!


With all of this "improvement" the difference between his offensive/defensive rating is nearly a -20. His advanced stats are terrible even for a rookie and his shooting percentage is still at 40%. I only site that stuff because there is a certain subset that appears to need it in order to see that a guy really isn't that good. Luckily CB you aren't one of them.


Their coach benches him late in games because he doesn't trust his decision making or defense. When was the last time that a "franchise" player was routinely benched during crunch time? Since Ball has flamed out he has taken to pumping this kid. Better is only relative to how shitty that he played earlier.


If you look at the Rookie numbers of all of the elite PGS of the past 7-12 years the vast majority of them obliterate his. There is nothing about him that suggest elite. At best I will simply have to move off the Bust "Book it" stuff. When the time comes I will.


If you recall, I did like Young very much in the pre-draft process. I thought his pedestrian shooting % was just him trying to carry his team in college. But via the process of observation and deduction, it's pretty obvious he's a mediocre shooter(that's being friendly at best). It's unfortunate that a fanboy like shakes can't make unbiased judgement on a player.


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40% FG and 29% 3PT is NOT good. Frame it all you want, but you will be arguing right next to the "flat earthers" and "anti-vaxxers"


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I watched the whole game as well and they never said that.


Really? I was listening to Steve Smith and those guys who were lounging watching the game say that he came out of games late. I mean it's possible I could have heard them wrong and say Manute Bol and not Trae Young, I mean it's possible.

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40% FG and 29% 3PT is NOT good. Frame it all you want, but you will be arguing right next to the "flat earthers" and "anti-vaxxers"


yep, keep posting season long stats even though it's objectively obvious that he's gotten much better as the season has progressed. Keep hanging onto that for as long as you can cause the more games Trae plays the more those early struggles are going to disappear from memory as well as the overall stats.

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I watched the whole game as well and they never said that.


Really? I was listening to Steve Smith and those guys who were lounging watching the game say that he came out of games late. I mean it's possible I could have heard them wrong and say Manute Bol and not Trae Young, I mean it's possible.



You didn't hear them wrong. They actually were quite critical of him in spite of his great performance

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I watched the whole game as well and they never said that.


Really? I was listening to Steve Smith and those guys who were lounging watching the game say that he came out of games late. I mean it's possible I could have heard them wrong and say Manute Bol and not Trae Young, I mean it's possible.



no, you're just imaging things again. the NBA tv announcers spent the entire game slobbering over Trae to the point that I eventually turned to my wife and told her I could jerk off to the telecast.

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40% FG and 29% 3PT is NOT good. Frame it all you want, but you will be arguing right next to the "flat earthers" and "anti-vaxxers"


yep, keep posting season long stats even though it's objectively obvious that he's gotten much better as the season has progressed. .


By Month FG% 3P% AST TO PTS
October 0.429 0.34 6.6 3 19.1
November 0.355 0.198 8.1 4.2 14
December 0.431 0.347 7 4.4 15.8
January 0.435 0.325 7.2 4 18.4

None of that shows any suggestion of linear progress. It suggests inconsistent and bad.


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Another great game for Trae last night, this time vs Fox and the Kings. ATL got their ass kicked, but not because of Trae. He had the team out to a 10 pt lead in the 1st, when he got back in they were down 10.

23 pts (7/12), 8 assists


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By Month FG% 3P% AST TO PTS
October 0.429 0.34 6.6 3 19.1
November 0.355 0.198 8.1 4.2 14
December 0.431 0.347 7 4.4 15.8
January 0.435 0.325 7.2 4 18.4

None of that shows any suggestion of linear progress. It suggests inconsistent and bad.



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By Month FG% 3P% AST TO PTS
October 0.429 0.34 6.6 3 19.1
November 0.355 0.198 8.1 4.2 14
December 0.431 0.347 7 4.4 15.8
January 0.435 0.325 7.2 4 18.4

None of that shows any suggestion of linear progress. It suggests inconsistent and bad.



Another amazing game for Trae last night, this time at Utah. 28 pts on 9/20 and 5/10 (includes half court miss at end of quarter) to go along with 9 assists to 2 turnovers. Best guard on the floor for either team.


Also was named Eastern Conf Rookie of the Month for January, second time picking up that award.

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shakes wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:

By Month FG% 3P% AST TO PTS
October 0.429 0.34 6.6 3 19.1
November 0.355 0.198 8.1 4.2 14
December 0.431 0.347 7 4.4 15.8
January 0.435 0.325 7.2 4 18.4

None of that shows any suggestion of linear progress. It suggests inconsistent and bad.



Another amazing game for Trae last night, this time at Utah. 28 pts on 9/20 and 5/10 (includes half court miss at end of quarter) to go along with 9 assists to 2 turnovers. Best guard on the floor for either team.


Also was named Eastern Conf Rookie of the Month for January, second time picking up that award.

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He’s gonna get better for sure. Maybe not Chris Paul, but still potential to be really good.

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Anyone comping Young to Chris Paul should have their basketball viewing priveliges revoked immediately.


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