Bobby Portis is a terrible defender. Always has been. Jabari made stupid comments that put a Bulls eye on him. He is a better player than Portis and always has been. If I looked I could find similar clips on Portis from this same year.

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No you cannot. Go look.

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They are both terrible. I think Parker could be decent if he actually tried. Portis has suction cups on his shoes I think.

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Parker isn't bad. I'm comfortable with that assessment. Terrible team/terrible franchise.

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I mean, it is simply possible** to claim Jabari Parker is better. When looking at their career stats, they are virtually identical. When looking at the last 2 seasons, Portis starts to distance himself significantly ahead of Parker.

**edit: impossible lol

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When has Portis ever been a 20 ppg and 6 guy? When has he ever started the majority of his games in any season? When has he ever been the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team while in the NBA?

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LTG still does not understand the difference between counting statistics and rate statistics, but is helming our public educational system.

Good lordy.

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Advanced stats are meaningless in a lot of regards. I understand them. I just don't value them as much as neophytes like you. When you start talking as if stats are similar based on advanced stats you are being disingenuous. In other words you are lying

There career stats aren't similar either. Parker 15.1 per game. Portis 9.7 per game. Sure looks similar to me.

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2 days ago

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That incorrect player assessment Tally has reached the point where it may be time to write it off and simply start over.

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Looking at what one player does in starter minutes versus what another player does in starter minutes is NOT an advanced statistic.

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It is when you pro rate the numbers out as you attempted to do with Portis. Also you lied about there career numbers being equal. They aren't

Per 36 is a meaningless stat. If a guy isn't playing 36 minutes per game or somewhere close to it then its stupid to consider it when comparing players.

I know you believe that this "gets" you in the discussion since it is a way for you to fallaciously think that you know things that others don't but it only further highlights the things that you really don't understand about the game.

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I posted it straight from Basketball Reference. Are you implying that Basketball Reference fudges NBA statistics?

There is nothing pro-rated about 36 minutes. Bobby Portis played all of those sets of 36 minutes. So did Jabari Parker. Every single statistic provided is not a 'what if they played 36 minutes per game.' Those statistics are 'here is what the players actually did per 36 minutes on the court.'

I know I should not be this frustrated with you. Your issues are well documented. BUT HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT?! WHO PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF CHILDREN?!

How did we let America become this way?????

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

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And men have lost their reason.

Hopefully not the same people that decided that it was a great idea for you to ever moderate this site you damn blithering idiot. I'm sure they would never make a mistake as egregious as that you clown.

As previously stated (i know that your rudimentary educational level requires a step by step booklet) Per 36 is a meaningless stat if one guys plays 31-32 minutes a game and another plays 18. Yeah sure it is all about every 36th minute that a guy is on the court but guys that play significantly more minutes are always more valuable than guys that don't.

Starters and reserves exist for a reason. I know you are too stupid to understand why but they do. Trust me or anyone else that has even the slightest inkling about sports.

The reason that I constantly refer to you as being rather dumb is that for some reason you seem to think that you can simply trot out numbers and determine efficiency. You can't. How did that work out for MCW? Lance? your stupid comparison between Thomas and Portis? There are other factors besides simply playing a guy longer and he will put up certain numbers


Its dumb as shit to compare career bench players to guys that have started and played significant minutes.

THe main reason that I attempt to avoid conversations with you is because I know that you are unable to comprehend anything which doesn't relate to stats. I know that you aren't learned enough to properly interpret the phrase "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics". If so you wouldn't be as quick to resort to usage of them as a means of validating your silly arguments all the time.


If I asked you to tell me what makes Bobby Portis a better basketball player than Jabari Parker I guarantee that you couldn't without referring to basketball reference. You don't seem to realize that it is merely a support mechanism. For you its the Holy Bible. You can't have a basketball conversation without it turning into stats inc. I refer to it from time to time but you absolutely live by it.
This is why its a waste of time to engage in any sort of conversation with you.

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Live look-in at the LTG/IMU debate:



At least LTG said he loves IMU.

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Player A shoots 15 3's a game in 32 minutes a game and hits 3 of them. He scores 9 points.

Player B shoots 4 3's a game in 20 minutes and hits 2 of them. He scores 6 points.

Are you telling me you'd never give Player B a chance to play 32 minutes and shoot more 3's? Because someone arbitrarily decided, years earlier, that Player A is a starter straight out of his draft because the team that drafted him was terrible, and Player B was a bench player straight out of the draft because the team that drafted him was a #3 seed playoff team the year before?

Fucking Radio.

Before you respond, take a second to wipe the drool off of your mouth and keyboard and think of an intelligent response. Dig deep.

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Its not on him. Its on me. I'm arguing with a guy who thinks that MCW is Tom Thibodeau coached away from being a very good player.

The guy that thinks He is watching Tyrus Thomas when watches Bobby Portis.

The guy who thinks Etwaun Moore is a point guard.

The guy who believed that Lance was a budding star at some point.

The guy who thought Jimmy Butler was top 8 and a potential Hall of Famer.

The guy who still argues that Taj was a better player than Josh Smith.

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Do me a favor and simply explain why you think Portis is better.

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I did.

tl;dr He is a more efficient scorer that gives you more rebounding and passing and is more reliable from 3P range in an NBA where the 3P is supremely important. He can play more positions reliably as he can stay in front of most threes and can play C in a pinch. Jabari is being put on skates by all forwards.

I just provided you a variety of reasons without statistics, your anathema. Google the word.

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Jimmy Butler is a Hall of Famer ltg. Every good basketball player pretty much makes it.

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Chris Webber hasn't made it. He deserves to though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

timeout ( I know it was college you morons )

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I need to read NBA threads just to see more vegan posts.

Also, the timeout counts, Walt. It's the Naismith Hall of Fame. But Webber was a great college player.

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There really isn't an NBA hall of fame, there should be one here. A real HOF..not the weak ass basketball Hof with refs,broads and coaches and college bums who couldn't hack the NBA.

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Nothing you said is true about Portis. Thanks for confirming something that I already knew anyway.

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Yeah I agree. It needs to be streamlined.

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1st I know of the Fab 5 and I know in his NBA career Weber never dribbled never! 2nd LTG didn't comeback on my camparision of the Wizards and 76ers! The Raptors look like the class of the East Book It!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

It is both true and documented.

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Don't you just love the way guys matriculate around these parts? I know I do. Though to hear them tell it they couldn't care less about basketball threads. Candor and honesty is just so 1950's I guess.

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