From what I've read, men (on average) stop growing by age 20. Between ages 19 and 20, average growth is only around one inch. Beasley is currently about 19.5 years old. If he has grown in the past 6-12 months, it is likely he will continue to grow, but probably not by that much. If not, he may be done. I don't claim any expertise on this issue, but I've read that one's height can be accurately estimated through a medical examination of an individual's growth plates.

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Can you show me a trophy that was won because of Collins?

I like Collins, too, but your post seems a little drinky.

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http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=20364

For all we know it could be Dirk's inside game and Duncan's outside game.

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Just to clarify. I'm not calling for deification or canonization. My point was simple, since Skiles' dismissal, the best guy available other than Skiles was and still is Collins. Unfortunately, not drinky, just looney.

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Looks to me that with this hire Pax has determined that the Bulls need a teaching/strategist coach more than a motivator/manager.

The biggest personality clashes will be Collins vs. Hughes and Collins vs. Tyrus.

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Any coach worth his weight in salt would clash with Hughes. He's the guard version of Ben Wallace, right down to the contract and everything.

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Nice read fellas. It is nice to see some spirited sports debates, well done.

I don't think anything bad can come of this. Doug knows the game. If Pax has the "character" guys he claims he does, this team will be better when Doug get a hold of them. A little roster tweeking and they're on their way. To where, I'm not sure.

As, I think Midge speculated, I hope this means it will be Rose not Beasly.

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True. I was wrong on Thomas. But I know Rose is way better than Thomas.

Just because we were wrong on that doesn't mean Beasley is better than Rose.

Even the experts back than said Thomas was raw. They, like me, thought he would develop. We were wrong. Thomas doesn't care and won't develop. Rose is a different guy.

By the way, Tyrus and Collins will not be able to co-exist. Thomas is gonna have to go. Skiles never liked him either.

Nas, you were on the Roy love and I was with you. He looked the part.
I have no real passion with these two. I did not see enough of either to have an informed opinion. I saw Rose more and have always loved big athletic PGs. Beasley would have to be a monster for me to rate him higher than a PG like Rose.
Nas, you may be right and Beasley may be the man. However, I am not sure about him growing more or not. I want to know how tall he really is.

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The one good thing about this draft: No matter who we take I think everybody agrees that neither will be a complete bust. Neither of them will suck. So at least we have that going for us.

Tyrus Thomas was very raw. He still is. Rose is a more polished player now than Tyrus Thomas.

You were right then, but if you think that Rose and Tyrus Thomas are anything alike then you are showing a lack of understanding of Derrick Rose's game. He has great potential, but he's already good. Tyrus Thomas wasn't good(for an NBA player) when he was drafted. Derrick Rose will be a starter on Miami or Chicago this season. He's an NBA ready talent.

I hope you use the same criteria for your judging of QB prospects based off of your assessment of Rex Grossman.

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I think Beasley will average around 20 points/game in his rookie season. Not sure what Rose will do early.

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I agree. I'd be just as excited with the 2nd pick and we get whoever else.

Both players will have good long careers.

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I agree but theres a huge difference between a Kevin Durant 20 ppg and a Tim Duncan 20 ppg as a rookie. Im not worried about his scoring, Im worried about the rest of his game.

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If Rose gets 32 minutes per game he'll average 17 and 8 his rookie year. You can book that. 2.2 steals per game.

That will get better each year. He'll evenually be a 22 and 11 guy that can beat you when the games on the line. With a shot, drive or pass.

agreed.

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He will not.
Durant barely did it this season on a team completely devoid of any stars.
If Beasley goes to the Heat he'll be at best the 3rd option after Wade and Marion, and he might not even start over Haslem.
If he comes to the Bulls he'll have the 14 & 9 that Gooden had this season.

Either way 12-15 pts & 7-9 boards would be a great rookie season.

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I disagree with the 2006 comparison.

In 2006, there was no consensus "can't miss" prospects. Here, it's either Rose or Beasley.

Plus, those two have received loads of exposure during the entire college season. In 2006, Roy and TT didn't become household names until the tournament started.

Rose and Beasleys floor/ceiling are both higher than anyone from 2006

Im not quite sure you realize how lofty those numbers are. You are saying he will be better than Jason Kidd or Chris Paul as a rookie. Im not ready to go there, just like Im definitely not ready to say Beasley will match Duncan's lofty rookie numbers. Those are almost exactly Isiah Thomas's rookie stats. Lets curb our enthusiasm a bit here.

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It took seven pages but we agree on something Nas.

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The Bulls are completely devoid of any stars. The only problem for him here will be that Deng already plays small forward, although Beasley already has more offensive skill and pure athleticism than Deng does.

Scoring 20 per game for Miami might be a bit more difficult, but he has the skills to do it....And if you think Beasley won't get starter's minutes for Miami, you're out of your mind.

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I know. College games are only 40 minutes. Longer shot clock. Memphis blew out a lot of teams. I don't think those numbers are lofty.

Calipari said he could have done more but the team didn't need it. Well, the Bulls will need it.

Its ridiculous that you keep saying Duncan's rookie season was diminished by playing with the Admiral. He was past his prime at that point and even if he wasnt, that would most likely detract from Duncan's points and rebounds, not add to it. Duncan would have had the same stats had he gone to Boston that season.

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Rose averaged 20 per game in the tourney. That's vs the best college teams. They needed him to do more and he did.

Its one thing to say youll think Rose will do that. Its different to say those arent lofty. Thats pretty much a fact. No PG in the past 25 years had put up those numbers as a rookie. How is that not an extremely high expecatations?

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Stats are obviously difficult to predict, but I'm with you, Beardown, in your belief that Rose will be a game-changing player early in his career.

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Stephen Marbury averaged 16 and 8 his rookie year.

So you're saying he's capable of doing it for a 6 game stretch.
Great.
Big difference between that and an 82 game season.
No way will he average enough minutes to pull it off.

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David definitely helped develop his game and showed him how to be the consumate professional, but Im very surprised if you think he was gonna average anything less statistically with a different team. He's one of those all time great special players that has dominated the league since the day he entered it.

And David was past his prime. His numbers dropped that season, and for the most part every year after that.

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I factored your 2.2 spg into the "noone has done that in 25 years" statement.

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