Reports have SD offering player option in yr 5. No reports of the Sox offering one.

Do you know how to do division? What's more 250/8 or 300/10?

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There are no surprises here. Eveybody knew exactly what he wanted and have known it for a year. 10/300. That's what he wanted.

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boggles the mind how often player agents in the nba & mlb tell reinsdorf to piss off but state of illinois gladly pays jerry to unzip his pants and gets on their knees

Sox had a higher per year value but what are the chances he gets 2 years for 50 million after this contract ends in 8 seasons?

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The difference is a little over a million per year which is peanuts in a 300MIL contract. Obviously Machado wanted 300/10 and not 250/8.

If the White Sox deal was better then why not go 300/10?

Intense sense of honor would not let them offer a worse deal.

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He took the most guaranteed money.

Are we sure about that?

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Are you seriously suggesting the Sox weren't outbid? If the Sox were married to 8 years with no player option, you have to replace the years and the option with MONEY.

They obviously didn't and obviously were outbid.

Are there team opt-outs in this deal?

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I dunno. Whatever it took, the Sox didn't do it. Enough with this "Sox offer was better" crap. If it was better, he'd be flying here.

The superstar infielder rejected a contract offer from the Chicago White Sox that would have been worth more annually than the deal he accepted from the San Diego Padres, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reported Tuesday, citing sources. Machado is expected to join the Padres reportedly on a record-setting 10-year, $300 million contract, and the lure of guaranteed money from the Padres was more powerful than the potentially larger figures the White Sox were offering.

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Second source says total value of #WhiteSox offer could have reached $350M if all options were vested and every incentive was reached. But Machado, as believed all along, wanted the $300M guarantee.

Don't need a "superstar" who is afraid to bet on himself.

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Agent probably had something to do with it also

Yep.

Commission is higher on the 300.

Plus, lets be Frank Cozstanza here for a moment: There are bikini babes in San Diego, and pierogi-stuffed Polish Brahds in Chicago.

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Wasnt Kenny Williams quoted as saying they couldnt offer 300?

So you want to use hindsight 20/20 when it comes to a few of the Cubs large free agent contracts (selectively avoiding that big contracts to Lester and Zobrist are huge reasons the Cubs won a WS) but you want to heavily assume that a Bryce Harper 10yr/$300MM contract would have no chance of becoming an albatross contract.

Got it.

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Frank,

Is it fair to call the offseason a complete and utter failure?

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Cubs: Attendance banner
Sox: I'm not gonna pay a lot for this muffler banner

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Yeah pretty much (barring the 0.10% chance they sign Harper). The Sox still made a legitimate offer to Manny. You can disagree and be wrong, but $250mil is not some cheap normal Sox offer.

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It's a cheap offer when you know the price to play is 10/300.

Anyway, I'm glad you agree that the Sox totally failed on this one.

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Ok, so you (and gd) are wrong and it seems that IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY.

Good talk.

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Reinsdorf wants them to change the name of their company to: Incentives and Vesting Options

You're gonna have to pick a lane, champ. Either dolphin and I (and you, before yesterday's news broke) were right and it's an utter failure by the Sox, or we are wrong. Can't have it both ways.

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These things are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't have to be a lane chosen here, because both of these things are correct;
The Sox made a legitmate offer to Machado.

The Sox offseason is a failure.

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I can make a much stronger argument that they negotiated in bad faith all along than you can make that they made a legitimate offer.

They knew in advance that the parameters of a contract for either of these players was a player opt out (as has become industry standard for the bigger FA). However, they decided in advance that philosophically they could not offer such a clause. So any contract they made was never going to be accepted.

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It wasn't a cheap offer but it was an illegitimate one.

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So you're saying that the White Sox "WSCR 2008 Mike North Contract Offer'd" it?

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